is it to much???

hi all                    i just order twin lab supergainer the listing has it at 1869 cals an 100 protein in it would it be to much on my body if i was to drink two servings a day an eat between 2500 to 3000 cal along with takin no xplode

Hillbillyfred blowed up!  ;)  Am I understanding you might be consuming about 7000 cal per day?  Unless you're Michael Phelps I would think you'd just get very fat.  Taking the NO Xplode is ironic to me, considering the name of it!  ;)  Interested to see what the other guys say, but in my opinion, and without any details on weight, body type, training, cardio, etc., probably way too many calories.  500 extra calories a day over maintenance will get you a pound gain (hopefully mostly muscle w/proper training, clean food) a week, which is a good muscle gain rate.  Good luck! 

i can eat an eat an not gain so i figured the extra 3000 or so cal an protein would help me if i stay on the weights an punchin bag i might start to gain some weight an size am not lookin to be ripped just big an strong

I would recommend you try to log what you eat and see how many calories you actually consume on an average day.  I too have a superfast metabolism and think I eat like a horse but the truth of it is I'm in such a hurry all the time that I can't stand the thought of sitting down and eating.  So I stuff my face whenever convenient but there are long stretches when I eat nothing.  If you're not losing weight, that means you're maintaining.  So whatever calories you're in fact consuming right now, if you add only 500 a day above that and keep activity level the same, you should gain a pound a week.  If you are weight training properly, those calories will largely go toward repair "damaged" muscle.  When damaged (via weight training) muscle is repaired if the proper nutrients are there the muscle will be repaired bigger and stronger.  And you should only up your calories in 100 cal increments, so it will take you 5 days to get to 500 over maintenance.  Hopefully the other guys will chime in.  There are some real experts on this site.  Learn from them!  Good luck!

Also give us as much info about you as possible:  Weight, body type, measurements, training routine, diet, supplements, you get the idea.  If you don't mind putting yourself out there, post some pictures of yourself in the Critique My Physique forum.

i'm 6'5 170 lbs weight train 3-4 day's right now punchin bag every other day about 45 min to an hour  i don't have any pics to post need a new camera i try an keep track of my calories. i eat something about every 3 to 4 hours. an before i go to sleep

Thing is you need to look at the fat per serving. In your twinlab there are 300 calories from fat and 25g of that fat is saturate (that's 123% of your RDA). Compare it to something like optimum serious mass http://www.bodyhut.com/..._nutrition_12lb_bag.html which has only 40 calories from fat with 3g of it saturated (just 15% of your RDA) and you can see which is the better choice. Not to mention twinlab has 100g protein per serving as you mentioned which is ridiculous because half of it will be urinated away, as opposed to the suitable 50g in optimum's. Also some weight gainers have high sugar, you want to make sure it's no higher than 60g.

- And whichever you buy, take 1 serving daily. Not only because that's all you need but also because weight gainer is eye wateringly expensive.

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I'm going with JMBS on this one.  3,000 calories over what you think you're already eating is not only a recipe for fat gain, it's borderline dangerous.  Run a diet like that for too long, and you could be inviting adult onset diabetes.

Seriously, sit down with one of those calorie trackers and log for a week.  You may be surprised that what you considered "eating a lot" is diluted drastically by the amount of time between meals and plain old overestimation.  Personally, I have to stuff my face to the point of near discomfort every three hours to get a legitimate (moderate) caloric surplus.  It is a full-time job, and believe me when I say every meal is an event.

As to the profile on that Twinlab product, I can tell you confidently it's crap.  Any gainer can claim a ridiculous caloric profile by merely increasing the serving size, but the bottom line is there is a finite limit to how many calories you can pack into 140 grams of powder (that should be about a cup).  The norm is about 600 to 700 per serving.  Any gainer that claims more than that is padding the serving size, and this strategy doesn't necessarily yield a better gainer experience.

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170 is not much for 6'5".  Would you describe yourself as muscular and extremely cut, or skinny/lanky?  The gainer shake you mentioned, maybe try 1/2 serving (but that's still 935 cal !) a day for a couple weeks and see if anything happens.  Again, replace my advice with the other guys when they reply.  My gainer is only about 1000 cal per serving and I only take 1/2 serving at a time, so 500 cal.  Why anyone would recommend consuming 1800 cal at one sitting is beyond me.

I'd love to see how everyone else weighs in on this, but it'll have to wait... I have a date with some CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRBS!!!

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM!!!

I'm gonna go put away 1,000 calories worth of pasta and broccoli

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At 6'5" 275lbs myself, I take in about 4200 calories a day to maintain. 60% of those are Protein, 25% Carb and 15% fats.
 
Edit: Try using this site: http://www.freedomfly.net/Documents/calorie_calculator.xls

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Wetdawg


At 6'5" 275lbs myself, I take in about 4200 calories a day to maintain. 60% of those are Protein, 25% Carb and 15% fats...

Gawd almighty, Dawg!  Are you sure that isn't 60% Carb, 25% Protein?  60% of 4200 calories is 630 grams of protein a day!

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Not everyone's an herbivore, Veg!  ;)

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Wetdawg


At 6'5" 275lbs myself, I take in about 4200 calories a day to maintain. 60% of those are Protein, 25% Carb and 15% fats...

Gawd almighty, Dawg!  Are you sure that isn't 60% Carb, 25% Protein?  60% of 4200 calories is 630 grams of protein a day!

I'm pushing 400g with shakes and another 200/250 with food. trying to loose fat not the muscle. I start at 0700 hours until 0100 hours unless I sleep in on the weekend. I eat constantly. Sorry Veeg I'm a meataterian.

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what kind of shake's do you take dawg i'd like to see a rundown of your food for a day if you can post it

Naw, I'm cool with the meataterian bit   But still, even at 5 meals a day, that's gotta be 60 grams more per meal than anyone can digest.  That's a truckload of nitrogen cruising around.  Aren't you worried about getting kidney stones or anything like that?

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I am currently on met-rx RTD 51 about 7 cans a day.
230 cals, 51g protein, 5g carbs each.
 
wake- RTD
2 hours
Breakfast 2 chicken breast
2hours
RTD
2hours
RTD
2 hours
Lunch- chicken breast or tuna
2 hours
RTD, almonds
2 hours
RTD
2 hours
Dinner- chicken breast, B. Rice, and a veggy
2 hours
RTD
2 hours
RTD
before bed- Cottage cheese
 
I do this during my work days. My off days I drop the Protein down and go with more carbs. I had a nice 32oz Ribeye last weekend...with a baked potato and Bread...someone stop me!

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what does rtd mean

max rx rtd 51 i'll have to check that out

veggeep


Naw, I'm cool with the meataterian bit   But still, even at 5 meals a day, that's gotta be 60 grams more per meal than anyone can digest.  That's a truckload of nitrogen cruising around.  Aren't you worried about getting kidney stones or anything like that?

Truthfully, Since returning home from the gulf I don't worry about much anymore..
  I drink a ton of water everyday. I'm like a Camel. I watch ...hmmm no nice way to put it, the color of my urine and when it gets to colorful ( for lack of a better education) I add more water. Orange juice helps with the stones too.

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hillbillyfred


what does rtd mean

Ready to Drink : RTD

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Now I don't do this all year. I cycle my diet like I cycle my workouts. About 8-12 weeks. I cycle to a different workout 5x5 or Max-ot or something new. At the same time I will cycle my diet. Next cycle in September will be Max-Ot for 8 weeks at which time I will run a 35% Protein, 45% Carb and 20% fat Diet as winter is coming and I would rather bulk up for the cold.

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i'll have to get some for them for when am at work
damn wish i'd of ordered them first

i'll have to get some of them for when am at work
damn wish i'd of ordered them first shake an drink seem's better then powder to me

Sweet Crom that's a boatload of RTD   And here I thought my eating out three times a day (plus two meals at home) was an investment, LOL.

I'm finally considering throwing a gainer shake on top of all the food I'm eating (on IBB's recommendation), just because I would like to take an occasional break from binge eating.  Can't decide where I want to go with that yet -I haven't wasted my money on gainer shakes in a looooooooooooooooooooooong time   Of course, back then, they were the center of my diet, and not the peripheral support that they should have been.

As long as I'm using Optimum Nutrition's Whey, Glutamine, and Creatine Mono, I may just keep it in the family and go with one of their gainers.

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Around here i can find them in the gas stations in the fru fru coffee section. If I run out and don't get my order in time I stop and throw a few in my truck for work.

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am gettin one tomorrow for breakfast if they have them

veggeep


Sweet Crom that's a boatload of RTD   And here I thought my eating out three times a day (plus two meals at home) was an investment, LOL.

I'm finally considering throwing a gainer shake on top of all the food I'm eating (on IBB's recommendation), just because I would like to take an occasional break from binge eating.  Can't decide where I want to go with that yet -I haven't wasted my money on gainer shakes in a looooooooooooooooooooooong time   Of course, back then, they were the center of my diet, and not the peripheral support that they should have been.

As long as I'm using Optimum Nutrition's Whey, Glutamine, and Creatine Mono, I may just keep it in the family and go with one of their gainers.

  A couple of my workout partners use gainers, they swear by them. I have always carried extra fat so I have never done any. I would much rather sit down and eat every two hours than drink Protein all day.
  But I'm on a 10 hour shift, no lunch break, and I'm 40 miles to/from work one way. it don't leave much time for anything. I wake up after 6/7 hours of sleep to workout, eat , hit a shower and be at work again. The weekends I'm always cooking something. my wife don't do cooking when I'm home. i eat like a horse. I even eat before going to a B-B-q at someones house because I don't know at what time they will eat.....yea I'm crazy, but I'm running against the old age clock and I hate to loose.

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Wetdawg

  A couple of my workout partners use gainers, they swear by them. I have always carried extra fat so I have never done any. I would much rather sit down and eat every two hours than drink Protein all day.
  But I'm on a 10 hour shift, no lunch break, and I'm 40 miles to/from work one way. it don't leave much time for anything. I wake up after 6/7 hours of sleep to workout, eat , hit a shower and be at work again. The weekends I'm always cooking something. my wife don't do cooking when I'm home. i eat like a horse. I even eat before going to a B-B-q at someones house because I don't know at what time they will eat.....yea I'm crazy, but I'm running against the old age clock and I hate to loose.

Hell yeah, bro!  I can't TELL you how many times I've got that call from my folks, "you're still coming over today, right?"
"Yeah, right after I finish this burrito."
"BURRITO?  Oh.  What is it this time, Third breakfast?"
"Something like that."
"Well what should I make for you?  Your old man wants hamburgers on the grill; should we get some portabellos for you?"
"Don't worry about it.  I'll take care of that."
"You are going to eat tho, right?" that's usually where I lower the phone and throw that "are you serious?" look at the camera.

Anyway, the point is well taken -never leave your next meal to chance; you will miss it every time if you do.

I'm even starting to enjoy pissing off my colleagues with my eating behavior.  Right in the middle of a video conference call, stuffing my face.  "Jeziz man, do you ever stop eating?"
"No.  Do you ever stop convening unnecessary meetings?"

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veggeep


I'm even starting to enjoy pissing off my colleagues with my eating behavior.  Right in the middle of a video conference call, stuffing my face.  "Jeziz man, do you ever stop eating?"
"No.  Do you ever stop convening unnecessary meetings?"

I like the way vegg thinks. At my work, someone asks "what time is it" and one of my coworkers will say, I dont know, what meal is willie on now?


I eat 3 to 4 times at work. Its real funny. I went from a moving around/walking job at my work to a desk job and I have lost weight. All my coworkers have gained. Ive been on a cut or maintain though. Im going to do a clean bulk soon so we will see how that goes.

I'm laughing at how pissed off your coworkers must be as they gain weight and you lose as you feed your face all day!  Ha ha!  ;)