if bodybuilders do splits.....

ORIGINAL: kingkebabs
The fact a person isn't competiting against someone else makes no difference whatsover as long challenging, realistic goals are in place and the person is determined to meet those goals.

What makes you believe otherwise? Many aspects might make my training more intesive or equally as intensive as the competing persons routine. It ultimately depends upon the comparison. Are you suggesting I shouldn't or couldn't train in a similar style simply because I don't currently compete in events?

My training goals are many. One such goal is a sucessful non-continental 100kg axle clean and press, besides reaching for a 250lb bodyweight.

I am not suggesting you couldn't or shouldn't train in similar style because you don't compete in events. What I am suggesting is that, until the weight you lift becomes more important than anything else in your life, you won't train as hard.

And if you have no real competition, you won't train as hard.

Of course you could be an exception...

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

I don't compete and my training is actually more intensive than that of associates who compete for both PL and strongman events. 

So If your training is more intense than the PL and SM you associate with.. I guess that would put your training slightly more intense than the average person on this board training 3-5 days a week.... That's just speculating from what I know from posting here and reading the forums..

Would it be fair to suggest or even consider that they train with the same intensity.. or even if most are capable of training with that same intensity.. When I say they.. I'm refering to the average poster of this board.. and I understand it's a question you can only speculate on but my speculation would again be.. no..

over-training is very real.. it's just not as common and easy to achieve as most people like to think.. It's a very over-used thrown around word..

my point being.. you suggest you've over-trained.. If that's so.. you're training must be intense.. In the past, I've trained solid for 5-6 days weekly, with never a deconditioning period and never even came close to over-training..

Yes, you'd be correct, but my work capacity doesn't relate at all to the original discussion which addressed expending resoruces unnecessarily.

On the contrary, each individual has a differing work capacity to the next person and the CNS can be conditioned.

With that in mind and in reference to coldfires comments, there's little point in suggesting that competing athletes are more prone to overtraining since their own personal workload  capacity (although greater) can hypothetically be within the same distance of the overtraining  threshold of the  average joe who trains with less intensity.

ORIGINAL: kingkebabs

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

I don't compete and my training is actually more intensive than that of associates who compete for both PL and strongman events.

So If your training is more intense than the PL and SM you associate with.. I guess that would put your training slightly more intense than the average person on this board training 3-5 days a week.... That's just speculating from what I know from posting here and reading the forums..

Would it be fair to suggest or even consider that they train with the same intensity.. or even if most are capable of training with that same intensity.. When I say they.. I'm refering to the average poster of this board.. and I understand it's a question you can only speculate on but my speculation would again be.. no..

over-training is very real.. it's just not as common and easy to achieve as most people like to think.. It's a very over-used thrown around word..

my point being.. you suggest you've over-trained.. If that's so.. you're training must be intense.. In the past, I've trained solid for 5-6 days weekly, with never a deconditioning period and never even came close to over-training..

Yes, you'd be correct, but my work capacity doesn't relate at all to the original discussion which addressed expending resoruces unnecessarily.

On the contrary, each individual has a differing work capacity to the next person and the CNS can be conditioned.

With that in mind and in reference to coldfires comments, there's little point in suggesting that competing athletes are more prone to overtraining since their own personal workload capacity (although greater) can hypothetically be within the same distance of the overtraining threshold of the average joe who trains with less intensity.

Hypothetically you are correct. But the difference is that a professional athlete will continue training even when he suffers some performance decrease, until he really over-reaches. While average joe, usually stops and changes something or takes a rest when he encounters problems. And this happens because there is no competition.

Again, theoretically you are right, but I think it rarely happens.

kingkebabs do you train with a full-body routine or a split routine? How many times a week?

On the contrary, each individual has a differing work capacity to the next person and the CNS can be conditioned.

 
I don't disagree with that statement.. From what I've read about CNS Fatigue, (over-training).. it's a far cry from what most refer to it as.. and can be a serious issue..
 
I'm not doubting you're word.. I have no reason to.. I just think it's a very misunderstood phrase.. and I sometimes find it almost comical when some asks the questions.. "am I over-training?"   From what I know of CNS fatigue, it's not something someone would have to ask another..

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

ORIGINAL: pumped340

kingkebabs do you train with a full-body routine or a split routine? How many times a week?

I follow a "full body" routine with accessory training thrown into the mix to address specific needs. Maybe 4 sessions a week at most.

Nothing ground breaking or out of the ordinary minus some obscure grip training and exclusive axle work for most movements.

Its threads like these I love reading, you learn so much and they dont lead into pissing matches.

Im so glad we have such knowledgeable people to contribute to this site.

current 3x3 max's (Work in progress)
Squat:325
Deadlift:380
Bench:265
BB Row:225
My lifting journal
http://strengthmill.net/forum/showthread.php?p=16591#post16591

Rarely do we get 6 pages of discussion, that leads to the abiguious meatly middle of so many, many frequently parroted extreems.

Excelant thread, just excellant, really!

ORIGINAL: thehardway

Rarely do we get 6 pages of discussion, that leads to the abiguious meatly middle of so many, many frequently parroted extreems.

Excelant thread, just excellant, really!

not to be a dick but you spelled "excellent" 2 different ways, both of which were wrong lol. oh and "extremes"

Be a dick, it is widely known here that I can not spell , i check my computer as I run through my office on the way to do other tasks, often time I am compelled to post with out the time to spell check. Especially if it is just a few sentences, or my journal.

 

wow, i wake up and theres like 2 more pages of posts! LOL
 
due to the way my body grows, its really hard for me to use squats and deadlifts in my routines, some parts of my body grow way faster than others, i dont know if any of u have seen my legs...but they are wayyyy bigger than my upper body, and my upper body isnt necessarily small either...my front delts are bigger than my upper chest, thighs got bigger than my calves...
 
in order for me to work my chest more than my delts and before my tri's give out, i got to pre exhaust them with a iso that doesnt involve neither...
 
i do lateral raises AFTER a muscle building compound like OHP, to better target the rear and side delts which seem to be falling behind in size, im not saying im replacing iso's with compounds, juz including them along side to get full muscle development
 
my thighs are at 27 inches..not even that far from pro bodybuilders, but my calves have falling way behind with only doing compounds, dont they need iso's??
 
what im basically saying is i include all muscle building compounds along with iso's to develop full muscles...
 
and i dont need to have 3-5 yrs of training to start working wit iso's
im not a hard gainer at all..i have really good genetics, i was able to go from 135lbs to a solid 180lbs in a lil over a year

Last time I checked DBB didnt have any spell police. This is an internet forum, spelling mistakes happen...

Not to mention the grammatical errors in your post. Seriously who cares.

ORIGINAL: pumped340

ORIGINAL: thehardway

Rarely do we get 6 pages of discussion, that leads to the abiguious meatly middle of so many, many frequently parroted extreems.

Excelant thread, just excellant, really!

not to be a dick but you spelled "excellent" 2 different ways, both of which were wrong lol. oh and "extremes"

current 3x3 max's (Work in progress)
Squat:325
Deadlift:380
Bench:265
BB Row:225
My lifting journal
http://strengthmill.net/forum/showthread.php?p=16591#post16591

ORIGINAL: jonb112303

wow, i wake up and theres like 2 more pages of posts! LOL

due to the way my body grows, its really hard for me to use squats and deadlifts in my routines, some parts of my body grow way faster than others, i dont know if any of u have seen my legs...but they are wayyyy bigger than my upper body, and my upper body isnt necessarily small either...my front delts are bigger than my upper chest, thighs got bigger than my calves...

in order for me to work my chest more than my delts and before my tri's give out, i got to pre exhaust them with a iso that doesnt involve neither...

i do lateral raises AFTER a muscle building compound like OHP, to better target the rear and side delts which seem to be falling behind in size, im not saying im replacing iso's with compounds, juz including them along side to get full muscle development

my thighs are at 27 inches..not even that far from pro bodybuilders, but my calves have falling way behind with only doing compounds, dont they need iso's??

what im basically saying is i include all muscle building compounds along with iso's to develop full muscles...

and i dont need to have 3-5 yrs of training to start working wit iso's
im not a hard gainer at all..i have really good genetics, i was able to go from 135lbs to a solid 180lbs in a lil over a year

oh.  i understand now.

45 pounds in 1 year is very impressive.   was this on a bulking diet as well?? or just eating normally and incoorporating lifting into your lifestyle?

your body is completely opposite of mine as far as the weaker areas go.   

my weaker/smaller areas would be my legs/calves, and lower back.

my torso / chest / arms are well ahead of the lower body in terms of size and strength

My name is FOX.... and I approve this message.

ORIGINAL: Nm0ney34

Last time I checked DBB didnt have any spell police. This is an internet forum, spelling mistakes happen...

Not to mention the grammatical errors in your post. Seriously who cares.

i dont care at all, i just thought it was funny that she spelled the same word 2 different ways in one line, both of which were wrong. not like it's a big deal.

ORIGINAL: TheSilverFox

ORIGINAL: jonb112303

wow, i wake up and theres like 2 more pages of posts! LOL

due to the way my body grows, its really hard for me to use squats and deadlifts in my routines, some parts of my body grow way faster than others, i dont know if any of u have seen my legs...but they are wayyyy bigger than my upper body, and my upper body isnt necessarily small either...my front delts are bigger than my upper chest, thighs got bigger than my calves...

in order for me to work my chest more than my delts and before my tri's give out, i got to pre exhaust them with a iso that doesnt involve neither...

i do lateral raises AFTER a muscle building compound like OHP, to better target the rear and side delts which seem to be falling behind in size, im not saying im replacing iso's with compounds, juz including them along side to get full muscle development

my thighs are at 27 inches..not even that far from pro bodybuilders, but my calves have falling way behind with only doing compounds, dont they need iso's??

what im basically saying is i include all muscle building compounds along with iso's to develop full muscles...

and i dont need to have 3-5 yrs of training to start working wit iso's
im not a hard gainer at all..i have really good genetics, i was able to go from 135lbs to a solid 180lbs in a lil over a year

oh.  i understand now.

45 pounds in 1 year is very impressive.   was this on a bulking diet as well?? or just eating normally and incoorporating lifting into your lifestyle?

your body is completely opposite of mine as far as the weaker areas go.   

my weaker/smaller areas would be my legs/calves, and lower back.

my torso / chest / arms are well ahead of the lower body in terms of size and strength

 
naa, no bulking diet, i ate alot of protein but alot of fat and carbs too, soo my bf went up to about 13-14 %
 
at one point i was at around 205-213lbs, and i could only see a 4-pack of abs LOL, so i went on a cutting phase and got back down to 176 7-8% bf
 
after about a month of working out (may 08) im at around 180lbs..no clue if its water weight or not, cuz i started creatine...
 
i just now (like a couple months) started using squats and deadlifts, just for the growth hormone effect...
 
yeaa my weaker points are opposite from alot of people...alot of people dont like to train legs, neither do i, i just have gifted legs that always grew with little training