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how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/11/2006 4:45:45 PM
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nahcede
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What are the signs of a natural bodybuilder and a bodybuilder that uses steroids. We've all had the conversation debating whether a particular person is juicin or not. And we all get people who swear they're natural when most other people think otherwise. I also look at magazines and compare supposed natural and un-natural and they look very similar to me except for the bulkiness of the un-natural. I'm just curious to know what you've heard of the visual physical symptoms of using steroids. (Example, severe acne, gigantic jaw).
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/11/2006 5:09:27 PM
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odw777
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I overheard someone saying that I'm on steroids, but I just think it's an excuse for them to look crappy becase they're too lazy to train hard.
I think the red spots on the back and face are a dead giveaway. Looks kind of different more like a rash I'm not sure if it's a distinctive sign of roids but seems like it.
Also the bulkiness combined with a low body fat. But that's not necassarilly one because sometimes people that juice don't have that much experience lifting and they just want the quick way to get big without the fundamentals and they don't get optimal results.
Sometimes it's hard to tell though.
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/11/2006 5:35:12 PM
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nahcede
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i heard bitch tits is a definite sign.
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/11/2006 5:44:16 PM
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you guys are absolutely RIDICULOUS. go do some real research on a site like bodybuilding.com and read through the steroid section, you might actual get some GOOD information and not this nonsense
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/11/2006 6:35:59 PM
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you guys are absolutely RIDICULOUS. go do some real research on a site like bodybuilding.com and read through the steroid section, you might actual get some GOOD information and not this nonsense
what the hell is your problem? why dont you actually contribute to the topic appropriately instead of completely denying everyone above who was trying to help the guy out?
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/11/2006 7:10:42 PM
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ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue
you guys are absolutely RIDICULOUS. go do some real research on a site like bodybuilding.com and read through the steroid section, you might actual get some GOOD information and not this nonsense
what the hell is your problem? why dont you actually contribute to the topic appropriately instead of completely denying everyone above who was trying to help the guy out?
" i heard bitch tits is a definite sign."
"I think the red spots on the back and face are a dead giveaway. Looks kind of different more like a rash I'm not sure if it's a distinctive sign of roids but seems like it."
"(Example, severe acne, gigantic jaw)."
i will continue to treat everyone who reacts to steroids this way EXACTLY as i do. a plethora of information is available if you are only willing to do some research. lets think about what those "signs" of steroids really mean.
"I heard bitch tits is a definite sign" - think logically, if everyone who used roids had bitch tits, wouldn't jay, ronnie, dexter etc all be wearing bikinis during tournaments? No, thats obviously not the case. Gyno CAN be a side effect of steroids, but is usually very easily combatted with a SERM. a 5 second search on google shows this.
"I think the red spots on the back and face are a dead giveaway. Looks kind of different more like a rash I'm not sure if it's a distinctive sign of roids but seems like it." : Now hmmm...every person on steroids has red spots on their back and face? This makes sense. Yes, ACNE is a decent side effect while on steroids, but again, easily combattable with some acne meds and proper care. There is no "red rash" that all steroid users get. again, RIDICULOUS.
"Gigantic Jaw" : Come on, do I even really have to get into the realm of hormonal imbalance not changing facial structure?
exactly.
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/11/2006 7:47:23 PM
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;-) all good. im just touchy about certain things i guess ha
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Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
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BF% - 7.4%
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/11/2006 9:16:54 PM
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odw777
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Did I say ALL steroid users will get acne? I don't think I did.
I meant that it's a dead giveaway because if I see his back literally covered in red crap I can beat he's juicying.
Doesn't seem to me like that's "easilly treatable" either, because then the guy wouldn't be going around looking like that.
Since you have so much experience with steroids, why don't you tell us how one can spot a juicer?
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/11/2006 9:41:13 PM
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All depends on who you ask... you will get a different answer every time.
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/11/2006 9:57:30 PM
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There's no way to tell besides speculation. The only blatantly obvious roid users are the biggest of the biggest, the ones who have gone past what human genetics can allow.
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/11/2006 10:13:16 PM
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VaughnTrue
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Did I say ALL steroid users will get acne? I don't think I did.
I meant that it's a dead giveaway because if I see his back literally covered in red crap I can beat he's juicying.
Doesn't seem to me like that's "easilly treatable" either, because then the guy wouldn't be going around looking like that.
Since you have so much experience with steroids, why don't you tell us how one can spot a juicer?
there is NO definite way to spot someone on steroids. I get REALLY bad back acne at times, but i assure you, I've never done steroids. I have a pretty well defined jaw too, very square, but again...never done steroids.
only way to know is with his piss in a cup.
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"poena est vires in dissimulo"
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Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"
Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/11/2006 10:28:40 PM
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IBendBarbells
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Oh and vaughn not even pissing in a cup will people know unless your a professional athlete and get that expensive test done. Even in the military no one would ever pop for steroid use.. my friends were just told to hide the needles, no one ever knew who was on it and who wasnt anyways since the ones on it were in the mid 20's the ones not on it were teens they had the same high test levels and gained at the same ratio.
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/12/2006 7:27:02 AM
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nahcede
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i guess there's no real way of knowing. i didn't really know this is such a sensitive topic.
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/12/2006 7:49:21 AM
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VaughnTrue
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exactly
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"poena est vires in dissimulo"
Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"
Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/14/2006 2:59:45 PM
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football for life92
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Compete within yourself and maximize your own potential since that is the ONLY thing totally under your control
amen to that, i also read somewhere (i think ) that steriod users have muscles that you normally dont see on some one that doesnt use steriods. I think they used the example that person has definite muscles coming around thier rib cage. But, the person could just be really strong who knows.
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RE: how do you tell natural and not natural - 11/14/2006 3:29:53 PM
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Most of the time people crying steriods are just ignorant and have no knowledge on how the human body works or how it responds to proper diet and training.
They just see you getting bigger then when you cut and your bf% drops and you get ripped peoples minds just revert to "oh he must be on roids". It's kind of annoying and insulting that they don't understand the hard work and dedication but at the same time almost a compliment because they're noticing you're getting ripped. lol
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