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getting ready for military - 10/7/2004 5:44:33 PM
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97ssdroptop
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any help you guys can give as to the quickest way to lose weight so i can get into the army.
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/7/2004 6:50:55 PM
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well my dad was in the army and were learning about training being in the army in social studies class. what your gonna be doing is 4 mile jogs each day. push ups, pull ups, crunchs, ladder climbing, crawling on the ground and other things. I know one thing that you need to be able to do 100 push ups for a point in fitness to go up in rank.
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/8/2004 3:03:33 PM
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I know one thing that you need to be able to do 100 push ups for a point in fitness to go up in rank.
I don't know where you heard this from, but it's not true.
I was in the army for three years- Every single work day, count on doing situps and pushups, and you'll also be going on a run. Some days, they mix things up a little, but that's mostly what you'll be dealing with. Periodic fitness tests will concentrate on those three areas- You have to be able to do a certain amount of situps in two minutes, a certain amount of pushups in two minutes, and you have to run two miles within a certain amount of time- All the requirements for each depend on your age. When you're up for a promotion, they will look at your PT test scores to see if you've failed any or whatever, but there's no single PT test you have to pass as part of a promotion.
When it comes to losing weight so you can get in, stick with the basics- Cardio and proper nutrition will get your bodyweight down. Pay attention to your diet, get in some good cardio, and you should have no problems. If you have any questions about the army, feel free to PM me anytime.
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/8/2004 3:26:35 PM
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andy
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my dad was in military for 21 yrs i positive he knows what hes talking about. One thing he said hes getting ready for military not army. You should know there different if you were in the army for 3 yrs. 100 push ups is true for points to up rank in E-? pay
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/9/2004 5:29:16 AM
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cpl
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so i can get into the army.
97ss did mention the army in his actual post, even though he just mentioned military in the subject line. I don't know about other branches of the military, but there's no rank in the army that you need to do 100 pushups to get points towards. I assumed you were referring to the army since that was the original topic- What branch of the military was your father in?
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/9/2004 10:33:46 AM
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andy
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he was stationed in korea also then thread says getting ready for military so whitch one is he going to ?
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/9/2004 11:58:58 AM
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Read 97's first post, andy.
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any help you guys can give as to the quickest way to lose weight so i can get into the army.
I'm not sure what you mean when you're asking which one he's going into- Do you mean is he going into the military or the army? It's the same thing. The military is made up of the army, navy, air force and marines. Which one of those was your father in?
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/9/2004 8:02:08 PM
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andy
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military and army a 2 different things. my dad was in military
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/10/2004 6:00:22 PM
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military and army a 2 different things. my dad was in military
Are you talking about U.S. forces here, or some other country? If you're referring to the U.S., you're mistaken. When you sign up for military service, you can only sign up for the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines or Coast Guard- Then, of course, there are the reserve and national guard units for each branch of the military, but there's no branch known specifically as the military. Perhaps if you could provide a link to the web page of the military your father was in, it might clear things up.
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/13/2004 5:26:07 PM
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I'm in the DEP (delayed entry program) for the Marine Corps but dont go to boot camp till May and to my knowledge there are no pushup requirements for promotion. Just have to pass your PFT. And no offense ARMY guys but if this was a requirement in any of the branches, then the Marines would at least have it. Little more physical training in the Marines unless your a ranger or some kind of spec ops.
And 97ssdroptop, i would start jogging. Maybe start out with a mile every other day and work your way up to more before boot camp. Your gonna need some endurance or your gonna feel like dying when your at boot. Have you enlisted yet?
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/14/2004 4:33:57 PM
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And no offense ARMY guys but if this was a requirement in any of the branches, then the Marines would at least have it. Little more physical training in the Marines unless your a ranger or some kind of spec ops.
Not really. You'll find when you get into the military, every single branch likes to talk crap about who's tougher, who trains more, who's more hardcore. I've run into Marines who really don't train that much, I've run into those who train real hard- It all depends on what unit you're in. Once you do get in, you'll see there's always all sorts of rivalry between everyone- All the branches talk smack about each other, your unit is going to talk smack about other Marine units, your company will talk smack about other companies, and even your platoon will talk about the other platoons in your company. There is no one best branch, every branch just thinks it's them.
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/15/2004 4:44:46 PM
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Lol, sorry. I am surrounded by Marines all the time from my family and from my recruiting station so you can probably see why i think this. I'll just have to find out for myself. I'm going infantry then applying for embassy duty somewhere or going through a Force Recon screening to see if i can get in.
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/17/2004 8:25:47 PM
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Hey i have a question about training cpl. Do you think a human reaches a peak on what he can do with all of his training? Like saying that you can only be trained so much and could only perform so much in a hostile situation. Or do you think that you could keep training and go above and beyond anything before? I have heard stories about some people in international spec ops that do nothing but train and do missions and that don't even seem mentally human. They seem emotionless and go through life based on strategical predictions. Killing would be an instinctual reaction, not a morally decisive reaction. But still, these people would still have limits, right?
I dont know, its just kinda intrested me.
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/18/2004 3:30:14 PM
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Everyone has their limits, especially when it comes to training. In basic, they break you down through training, sleep deprivation and stress- Some people can handle it longer than others, but everyone I knew in the service agreed that at some point in basic training they broke down. It's all mental though, and you just have to change the way you think about it- You really have no choice. Those who can't adapt to the stress simply don't- They end up getting kicked out, you have a few who become depressed, and there are all sorts of stories out there about suicide attempts. When I went through basic, we had two guys who went that route- One of them threatened to kill himself, and he was processed out and given counseling. Another faked a suicide attempt and got the same thing. (Personally, I think they had those tendencies to begin with, I don't think the army itself can make someone seriously want to end their life.) Oh, and if anyone ever tries to tell you a story about someone who tried to kill themselves by throwing a buffing machine out a window with the cord tied around their neck, don't believe it. Urban legend.
When it comes to the stories you've heard about spec ops guys, keep in mind that they're just that- Stories. It's nice to think there's some super elite units out there who do all that crazy stuff and just train all the time, but it's simply not true. I've known quite a few guys who've gone through Green Beret school and been assigned to Special Forces units- The initial training is rough, but just like any other military job, once you get there, it gets boring real quick. Hell, I used to hear stories about how hardcore the Infantry was, and once I got there I realized they just weren't true- And all the Infantry guys used to hear stories about how hardcore the Spec Ops guys were- Then some friends of mine got in, and it turns out those stories weren't true either. Special Forces units don't train to some superhuman level, and they're not always out on missions either- The truth is, there aren't always secret missions to go on, and when it comes to the training, it's about the same amount as regular infantry, just different- I was in a mechanized battalion, which meant we had personnel carriers. There are hundreds of soldiers in a battalion, so we trained with very different tactics than a small special forces team would, but we did have just about as much training as they do, and it was just as intense.
Now, when it comes to the type of person most people think are in the special forces, the "instinctual killer" comes to mind- Again, not really true. No one ever knows how someone will react in combat until they're actually in combat- Of course, the army and the other branches of the military try to train everyone to the point where they don't really think, they just react, but everyone I've ever talked to who's been in combat tell me that most of their training goes right out the window as soon as the bullets start flying anyway- Some tactics taught in training just aren't useful in battle. The bottom line is, there's no way the military can turn anyone into some sort of emotionless robot- Some people are born that way, and it's actually more of a problem, even in the military, than it is beneficial. The type of person typically sought after by special forces groups is the type of person who's above average intelligence, has the natural ability to lead and make decisions under stress, pays serious attention to detail and can solve all sorts of problems. A lot of the Green Beret training dealt with these abilities. Of course, there's always the question of will you be able to pull the trigger when it counts, but like I said earlier, there's no way to know if someone's capable of that until the time comes, no matter what anyone says.
All of the Green Beret guys I knew were pretty much just regular guys- Sure, they were a little cocky about being Green Berets, but like I said, you'll see that whole mentality when you get in. Everyone says they're the best, everyone gets a little cocky- Once you get past the cocky part and learn how to tell the B.S. stories from the truth, they're just normal people.
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RE: getting ready for military - 10/18/2004 7:52:45 PM
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yotafool
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Hey thanks for the reply. Yeah, i was kinda afraid of that but i guess we're only human.
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RE: getting ready for military - 1/4/2005 6:40:44 PM
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97ssdroptop
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i ship out the 12th of jan. i have been running a ton and now my body weight is down to 248
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RE: getting ready for military - 1/5/2005 5:45:02 AM
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Good luck, bro. Whatever you do, don't be the guy that drops out on platoon runs. If you need to drop, make sure someone skinnier does it before you, and not a friggin girl, either.
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