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eating is hard.. - Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:39 AM ( #1 )
i cut all summer, and couldnt wait to start bulking and just eat a ton without feeling guilty
 
 
now that im bulking, i have to force myself to eat... never thought i would say that
 
 
i dont count calories when im cutting or bulking, but i should be getting about 3500 calories a day, i tracked my food on fitday for about a week and i was only getting about 2500-3200and i was completely full
 
any ideas?
 
my ratios are  40-40-20 ( range, thats what fitday gave me after a week, i dont really count calories like i said )
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Re:eating is hard.. - Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:59 AM ( #2 )
Eat more pizza
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Re:eating is hard.. - Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:26 AM ( #3 )
And drink more whole milk.


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Re:eating is hard.. - Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:30 AM ( #4 )
Very difficult to bulk on a 40/40/20 diet as the calories in proteins and carbs are very low compared to similar portions of fats.  Perhaps a 40/30/30 will up your calorie count enough to grow.  Adding good fats to your diet will also increase hormone production to help you gain size as well.



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Re:eating is hard.. - Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:30 PM ( #5 )
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Very difficult to bulk on a 40/40/20 diet as the calories in proteins and carbs are very low compared to similar portions of fats.  Perhaps a 40/30/30 will up your calorie count enough to grow.  Adding good fats to your diet will also increase hormone production to help you gain size as well.


Is that true for guys over 40, well over 45?
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Re:eating is hard.. - Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:28 PM ( #6 )
mass building protein shakes give you alot of good calories, and are less filling.
 
F*&k pizza, that has a metric F*(k  ton of saturated fat in it. The less fat you put on bulking the less fat you have to lose cutting
 
About 3 handfuls of peanuts will give you 480 cals 21g pro, and only 15g carbs 6g of saturated fat, plus 21g of monounsaturated fat which is the best fat there is for keeping LDL (bad cholesterol) and triglicerides down and keeping HDL (good cholesterol) and testosterone up.
 
 
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Re:eating is hard.. - Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:38 PM ( #7 )
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Very difficult to bulk on a 40/40/20 diet as the calories in proteins and carbs are very low compared to similar portions of fats.  Perhaps a 40/30/30 will up your calorie count enough to grow.  Adding good fats to your diet will also increase hormone production to help you gain size as well.


Is that true for guys over 40, well over 45?

Yes! It is still possible to increase production. It may not be as great as someone in thier 20's, But it will happen. I do good fats daily...raw nuts mostly.

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Re:eating is hard.. - Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:40 AM ( #8 )
Thanks Wetdawg. I've been eating nuts as well, 2-4 oz a day as well as introducing a little olive oil into my cooking. I realize that these are healthy fats but it still bothers me to see what that does to my daily fat intake-a couple oz of nuts really boosts it up.

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Re:eating is hard.. - Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:33 AM ( #9 )
try taking echinacia (i think thats how you spell it) i had the same problem after cutting and read that echinacia good enhance appetite. So i tried taking it bout 3 times a day b4 breakfast lunch and dinner, i have to say i could down more food than normal. I would give it a try, plus it helps with your immune system.
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Re:eating is hard.. - Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:01 AM ( #10 )
thanks for the advice guyys


heres an example of what i ate today


whole wheat bagel
peanut butter
skim milk
scoop of  whey
2 slices of wheat bread
4 egg whites 1 yolk  
5oz of steak

and i already worked out today, but i have absolutely no apitite left whatsoever.. i had to force myself to finish lunch

never thought i would have this problem
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Re:eating is hard.. - Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:27 PM ( #11 )
Did I mention eat more pizza?  And as RobertN said, don't forget to wash it down with a big fat glass of milk.
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Re:eating is hard.. - Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:54 PM ( #12 )
If im not mistaken if you are in your 40's you should be eating more good fats than before.
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Re:eating is hard.. - Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:07 PM ( #13 )
Good fats!! But can we stay away from saying "I like to eat nuts" or anything that can be mistaken for the wrong forum.  How about I eat peanuts, or walnuts, or cashews, or almonds? 



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Re:eating is hard.. - Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:59 PM ( #14 )
I have had midterms for the last two weeks, and have been to busy to eat as much as I would like. I was worried about loosing gains so I bought 8 frozen pizzas and have been knockin em down for the last week. haha...bri would be proud.  Might be the best bulking food out there, in terms of deliciousness.


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Re:eating is hard.. - Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:07 AM ( #15 )
 

All of a pizzas fats come from the cheese or the meats, of which are stated to eat a LOT, such as the famous cottage cheese fat thats happening, which has similar macro N's to normal cheeses anyway.

Protein shakes arent the answer.

TBH, and quite frank, protein shakes do ****, ive spent loads of money experimenting with many supplements, and i can say that at least for me, protein shakes dont do anything, i see no increase in progress with them, or decrease, quite frankly i doubt even 10% is absorbed, its mostly shyted out 30 minutes later.

Im worried about the OP not being able to eat 3200 calories without feeling sick etc etc.

Ive dfone 40/40/20 splits before and i found it piss easy, i find higher fats are hard to eat.

sure they have 9 calories per gram, but eating 200 grams of carbs is loads easier on the stomach than 200grams of fats

for example, if i ate 200 grams of pasta (700 calories) id be starving, if i ate 200 grams peanuts (1040 calories) id feel sick...Hell i doubt i could stomach 200 grams of nuts.

Maybe its just me but fats make me feel really full quickly, carbs and proteins i can just keep shoving in.

 
 
 
 
 
Really.....Meats and cheese, ok cheddar covered bacon it is. The point is LEAN meats and HEALTHY fats. And although a thin crust whole wheat chicken pizza with light cheese would be ok, the amount he would have to eat to up his cals would stuff him more. The point of the post was to get LESS food and UP the cal count. and he could get alot of cals from pizza hut.....14-21g of saturated fat and a sh*t load of HY GLY carbs too. Might I remind you he is a BODY BUILDER. Pizza has a regular part of a diet sounds like someone lacking will power and going for comfort food, I mean being how many other alternatives there are to the OP problem that are a thousand times more healthy and effective, its absurd.
 
And who the hell said anything about 200g of fat. 20% for him is 77g, read the post, he is 300-1000 short of 3,500cals. 3 handfuls of peanuts is 42g, just over half of his daily need of 700cals of fat, and 480 cals. Which is just under half of the extra cals he needs with the added bonus of 21g of monounsaturated fat that will help keep testosterone up. body builder remember.
 
And who the hell said the OP was feeling sick, dude said he was full. Maybe you can get 200g of pasta and still down a large stuff crust, but clearly thats not Bagelsdts problem, most people get more full on carbs and can stand 77g of fat, hell thats only 4 slices of pizza. 3 handfuls of nuts and 2 scoops of a mass gainer and he is at 1000cals which is less food then 3 slices of pizza.
 
And are you serious......Only 10% of the protein shake is absorbed, then right down the toilet. Last time I checked protein consumption has been studied for over a century, and every clinical study says that the body adapts in a matter of days to the amount of protein that is absorbed and there is no single meal limit. The protein that goes down the pooper is the protein not used by the body, and if you are lifting then your muscels eat up most of it, even though 3,500 diet is alot of protien he is not just going crap it out 30min later. And you missed the point of that as well, you take the mass gainer for cals in his case, not protein. A mass gainer has more carbs and fats then protein. If you didnt get bigger on a weight gainer its cause you were not lifting, 3,500cals=1lb of mass, if its more fat then muscel its your fault.
 
Ive seen some of your posts and you seem smart, but your the worst kind of smart guy. A guy with knowledge that doesn't know how to use it. What if the OP was over 40 like the other guy, would you still say pizza, hell no. You did not ask any specifics. The guy asked for help and you gave him a easy answer, and it seems to me that convenient and body building dont often go hand and hand. When someone questions you about your answer you pick and choose from the topic to make your answer still seem right while completely over looking the bigger picture. And the only 10% comment was utter BS, It must just be you because science says your full of unabsorbed protein sh*t. Dude asked for help and you give him pizza. You should just quit body building and go work for Jon McCain. 
 
 
 
 
I can understand in a given situation having to cheat a bit, Im just saying it should not be the first choice.
 
 
  

 
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Re:eating is hard.. - Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:36 AM ( #16 )
I am proud of you RedJeep.
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Re:eating is hard.. - Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:27 PM ( #17 )
   Great way to build mass you say. Well in the terms of more cals then more mass your right. In fact every thing you said is a solution to his problem. But at the same time a cannon can kill a fly, a chainsaw can cut out a tumor, and a guy can solve a problem by creating a bigger one. Speaking of problems lets start with you logic.
 
1. You say you eat bacon burgers and gain mass, no sh*t. 3500cals of lettuce puts on a pound.
 
Problem. While gaining muscel mass you are also gaining fat that could be avoided by eating more healthy fats (after bulking the less fat on you body the more effective your next cut is. see the connection mr.wizard)
 
2.You say people smoke, drink, and eat bad stuff and they are somewhat healthy, just do it on occasion.
 
Problem. Dont think he going for somewhat healthy (spent all summer cutting) and if you said on occasion then we got no problem, but you did so we do. The OP asked how to eat less and up cal count you said pizza, there for saying put pizza in your diet point blank.
 
3. You say eat a normal pizza
 
Problem. The pizza I said was healthy is LOW in cals, more cals less food is what the OP is looking for.
 
4.You say eating pizza wont break his gains
 
Problem. Your RIGHT, but wrong in context. If he starts a cut 1-2% higher body fat because of pizza in his diet then the first week or two he will be losing body fat that could of been avoided. So his gains are still there, yet they are covered with more fat making him look less cut.
 
5.You say 200g was just an example that would make you sick
 
Problem. No problem with an example, considering your example would be 50%  fat on a 3,500 diet would make anyone sick, is pointless.
 
6. You say he is not a body builder but a armature lifter
 
Problem. Your right again confusus. But he is sculpting his body no matter what you call it. You ask a NFL and JV football player what they do, they will say play football. (although the NFL guy is roided out)
and who the f^ck are you to say he will never go pro.

 
7. You say protein consumption has not been studied for a century and are confused about what I meant by protein the body does not use.
 
Problem. The world health organization has been doing clinical studies for over a century, mostly to try to help solve hunger in 3rd world countries. Look it up college boy. And first you say only 10% of a shake is absorbed then your seem dumb founded when I say some is getting dumped in the toilet. Im lost with that one.
 
8.You say you know how to use your knowledge because your getting a degree.
 
MASSIVE PROBLEM. Your getting a degree because you can prove on paper you know what they say you need to know, to get a paper that says you know it. Being wise is knowing how to use your knowledge, being wise is understanding something beyond the sum of its parts. You say pizza, knowing that its a way to gain mass with out seeing the bigger picture of what the OP was trying to accomplish and at the same time giving advice that will make it harder for him to go pro if he wanted to. Even though you were spewing facts about this and that, you consistently missed the point. Showing in this case, degree or not, you were not using the knowledge properly.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re:eating is hard.. - Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:37 PM ( #18 )
I gotta read this thread asap. lol
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Re:eating is hard.. - Friday, October 24, 2008 3:17 AM ( #19 )
*Read it all*

Just throwing this out there;
According to 4 different researchers from all over the world, completely different guys who don't even know each other or heard of the other's works, they all individually looked at the blood of people who eat pork and noticed that after they digest it their blood starts to look more like the blood of a cancer patient - Not that I even like the taste of any kind of pork product...

Usually I wouldn't give half a crap about what supposedly gives you cancer, but a full blood analysis is just a bit more than coincidence in my books.
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Re:eating is hard.. - Friday, October 24, 2008 8:03 AM ( #20 )
im just gona be blunt and straightforward and say what twisted link should have said, charley... shut up.
do you really even realize how many times you have contradicted yourself and changed your arguments in this whole thing,
brihead and twistedlink are elite members for a reason, they know what they're talking about, so just give it a rest.
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Re:eating is hard.. - Friday, October 24, 2008 5:25 PM ( #21 )
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Re:eating is hard.. - Friday, October 24, 2008 6:20 PM ( #22 )
Uggggh, why do I post this stuff when I know people will listen and still continue to pick and choose what they have heard in order to state pointless facts while making themselves look right.
 
 
I will admit that my comment on your examples was a reach and I will admit that I did stretch your comment on drinking and smoking. I’m guilty of trying to make myself look right; difference is that I am right. You on the other hand were right about a lot of trivial stuff that missed the underlying issue
 
 
 
 
Im surprised your big brain didn’t catch on to the OP subtleties.
 
i cut all summer, and couldnt wait to start bulking and just eat a ton without feeling guilty
 
“now that im bulking, i have to force myself to eat... never thought i would say that”
 
 
You ever think to ask him what his metabolism was like. Did you think to tell him that even regular guys gain a lot of fat on dirty bulks? Did you think to mention the hundreds of foods that guys use on regular bulks? Did you ever think to say that’s its widely stated not to do dirty bulks if you have a slow metabolism. Did you think maybe when someone says they are not getting enough cals on a daily basis, and you suggest pizza, he might take that as eat pizza daily. I don’t think so personaly because that would be twisting words right.
 
Yet a simpleton like me is contradicting his self by talking about lettuce. There is no way I was trying to make the point that food is food but they all have pros and cons.
 
Lettuce= healthy yet have to eat a lot
Bacon= unhealthy yet have to eat little
 
Here is another example
 
Peanuts/Mass gainer= unsaturated fat (ups testosterone) polyunsaturated (quick burning fat) Multi-long chain-Triglys (muscle energy fat) and don’t have to eat a lot
 
 Store bought pizza. Processed cheese and meats, Hy Gly carbs, saturated fats, but convenient
 Delivery. Same but at least its fresh meat and cheese………….I think
 
Wait he should eat the healthy pizza right, you know the one you suggested……..wait you didn’t suggest one but said you did. But that’s ok he is just going to eat occasionally……wait……you didn’t say occasionally until I said it was ok during say a midterm like redjeep said he did….I think that was around your 3rd post before you suggested that.
 
And to think with all of you infinite wisdom and blind followers like mon3yan you were able to point out that protein consumption wasn’t really understood until 1926, good job catching that 18yr difference from my statement, It totally made me forget about the fact that you said only 10% of a protein shake was absorbed, even though in the 82yrs of study its has been proven that it will all get absorbed. Hey I bet you can see GNC from your house and that’s why you know so much.
 
 
And thanks MON3YMAN
 
I appreciate your insightful “shut up”, I mean the guy im debating does have 3 more stars then I do.
And when a guy who quotes scripture tells me Im contradicting myself, I take it seriously. Your totally right who am I to nay say a smart guy like twist. You know smart like the smart guys with degrees that said the earth was flat, or the smart guys that say the earth is only 5,000yrs old. I think there was a few 4star guys that said Iraq would be quick and easy to. Maybe one day you can be smart like twist and the dumber 2 star guys can co-sign to what you say with out even thinking about it.
 
 
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Re:eating is hard.. - Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:25 AM ( #23 )
because your an ectomorph, let's not rub it in.
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Re:eating is hard.. - Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:34 PM ( #24 )
chinese FTW.
 
wonder what happened to the OP..
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Re:eating is hard.. - Sunday, October 26, 2008 3:40 PM ( #25 )
I am impressed with your trivial, historic, and scientific knowledge. And I hope you are not offended by online banter, yet I would suggest that you see if that university you go to has a class in sarcasm and not over thinking.
 
Whatever the shape of the world in the example, and there are a number of comparable examples, and feel free to insert whatever example you want, the point of my original example is that throughout history the smartest of people have been wrong on the simplest of things, and my point to mon3yman was just that. Another example I used for his case, with him being religious, was that the guys he thinks are smart think the world is only 5,000yrs old.
 
The seeing GNC from your house comment was in reference to Sara Palin saying she had foreign policy experience because she could see Russia from her border. In no way was I saying I got my protein intake info from the devil. I got the information from the World Health Organization, who I don’t believe are protein pushers. And your protein poops comment back up the world health findings that a drastic change in protein intake will cause the green apple splatters, but after a few days the body adapts and all is absorbed. Do you know anyone with protein grunts after a week of the same protein intake?
 
And as the OP stated his problem was DAILY cal intake, and if he was not a tard, like you assumed he was not, then your answer only helps him occasionally, thus not solving his problem which is daily.
 
In all seriousness I am impressed with your knowledge. I looked over my comments and I have contradicted and stretched my arguments in the sake of being right, although I still believe I am. Saturated fats and pizza are not as bad as I once believed after researching what you have said, so feel free to get the last word in. I have enjoyed the back and forth.
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Re:eating is hard.. - Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:13 PM ( #26 )
But...But...but I like Pizza even if it is once a month.
Hmmmm Maybe a pizza with cheese and walnuts... Wolfgang Puck you reading this??
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Re:eating is hard.. - Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:40 PM ( #27 )
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But...But...but I like Pizza even if it is once a month.
Hmmmm Maybe a pizza with cheese and walnuts... Wolfgang Puck you reading this??


once a month? ..once a week, maybe. well, for me, that is.
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Re:eating is hard.. - Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:56 PM ( #28 )
I had my first Big Mac today in over a year. They have not changed the way they make em...they are still the same. This is my off week so I can go alittle crazy with the food. Maybe I'll do Taco Hell tommorow???
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Re:eating is hard.. - Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:02 PM ( #29 )
Taco Hell.. It's so good, but it demands a side of pepto. Jesus. Go buy a package of Chips Ahoy soft cookies and a gallon of whole milk and like 4 movies and.. watch the stress melt away.

Dude, I raped McDonalds of their McChickens and Double Cheeseburgers yesterday. Oh my lord. I hate fast food, but I love it.
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Re:eating is hard.. - Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:59 PM ( #30 )
McD's double cheeseburgers for $0.99, how can you not eat a few?


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