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chest development - Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:03 PM ( #1 )
I have been lifting for a few years now on and off and i have my routines on lock down. As all of my other muscles are developing and getting bigger, my chest develops at a much slower rate than my other muscles. I change up my workout about every 4-6 weeks varying from switching exercises around to sets and reps to putting exercises in differnt order.
 Depending on my routine for the time being my chest workout looks like this:

1. BB/DB flat bench
2. BB/DB incline
3. BB/DB decline
4. Cable/DB flies incline/decline/flat
5. Dips

Any suggestions or ideas that will help me out?
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Re:chest development - Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:27 PM ( #2 )
Too much for your chest. You don't need that much volume.

Choose between dumbells and barbells, drop the declines, drop all those flies and cable flies.

Limit your movements to - barbell flat, barbell incline, dips << focus more on progressing in those exercises instead of doing loads of volume.
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Re:chest development - Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:10 PM ( #3 )
let me refrase what i meant to say because i chose the wrong wording now that i look at it. I switch it up between BB,DB and cables, and excersies every 4-6 weeks. My current routine is :
1.BB Flat bench
2.DB Incline
3.BB decline
4. Cable Flies

....still not good or is it a decent routine??
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Re:chest development - Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:17 PM ( #4 )
I would recommend dips over decline presses. Sometimes you have to experiment with technique to even make a decline press effective.

For example: instead of pushing it up vertically I bring the bar close to my neck and push it up at about a 70 degree angle in order to feel contraction with my lower chest. If you feel the contraction, keep it, although dips would be better due to core stability.

I would eliminate cable flies, they're not going to ruin your progress or anything, but they can easily take your attention of the mass building movements like flat and incline bench presses and have you more focused on cable flies, and that would affect your progress.

There's no need to switch every 4-6 weeks, you should only switch when you stall. Change in rep range can allow you to keep a progressive resistance type approach and keep you gaining muscle mass, but changing exercise variations every 4-6 weeks isn't really necessary.
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Re:chest development - Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:41 PM ( #5 )
Imo there's little point in using a barbell when you have dumbbells available for use unless you are going heavier than the heaviest bells. Dumbbells work stabalisers far more than barbell, and every time I've used barbell in past even just alternating weeks, I've noticed a much slower gain or even loss of strength when returning to dumbbells simply because of that reason. Unless you need to go heavier than the dumbbells allow I recommend using them.



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Re:chest development - Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:54 PM ( #6 )
I disagree; OP, unless you are already strong on pressing movements (at least stronger than 315 on flat bench), I think you should focus on barbell movements.  They will allow you to handle the biggest loads and build a better base of mass on your chest.  There's a lot of talk about the bench press, or barbell presses in general, not helping your chest development, but I don't think that many people are going to get to a 315-405 bench and still have small pecs.

Your program definitely has too much volume, though.  If you train chest on its own day, pick two compound exercises and an isolation, that's it.  Alternate exercises so that you come back to the same ones every two weeks or so, this should keep the weights and / or reps moving up at every chest session.  If you train chest on an upper body or push day (my favorite method,) just pick one productive compound movement and strive to get better at it.  Alternate enough movements so that you come back to the same one about every 2 weeks.
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Re:chest development - Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:57 PM ( #7 )
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Imo there's little point in using a barbell when you have dumbbells available for use unless you are going heavier than the heaviest bells. Dumbbells work stabalisers far more than barbell, and every time I've used barbell in past even just alternating weeks, I've noticed a much slower gain or even loss of strength when returning to dumbbells simply because of that reason. Unless you need to go heavier than the dumbbells allow I recommend using them.


I prefer barbells. Dumbells are cool and all and if that's what someone prefers then cool. But you grow from progressive overload and calories and it's generally easier to progress with a barbell.

Then there's some movements like squats / deadlifts that wouldn't be nearly as effective with a dumbell than with a barbell.

In a conventional back squat a barbell is used to place a heavy load on the back over the center of gravity, resulting in more overall core stability in order for the body to remain upright with more force than it's own weight (during a heavy squat at least).

In the deadlift the barbell is used to take advantage of reverse torsion which allows more force generated, this factors in more stimulus. This ultimately requires more muscular stress, making it generally better.

Depends a lot on the movement, with an isolation movement you'd ideally want to work with dumbells. Seeing the more dominant muscle group would take more of the force (for example, a barbell curl a right handed persons right arm would usually be more dominant and that is reflective on moving the workload).

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Re:chest development - Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:13 PM ( #8 )
Great suggestions have been given. Just want to add up a point. Remember that everyone has his / her weakness point. In my case, it is my lats.

Their progress has always been less than my chest, arms, delts, and traps.

So, in your case, it is possible that your chest is your weak point.

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Re:chest development - Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:48 PM ( #9 )
personally, i've tried doing dumbells and i just don't get the same workout as i would with a barbell on the flatbench..My bench press has increased strength wise dramatically in the past 5 months i have gone from doing 185x10 to 230x10, but my chest just wont seem to get much bigger..maybe my chest has reached its genetic limit reguarding size..?
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Re:chest development - Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:09 PM ( #10 )
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personally, i've tried doing dumbells and i just don't get the same workout as i would with a barbell on the flatbench..My bench press has increased strength wise dramatically in the past 5 months i have gone from doing 185x10 to 230x10, but my chest just wont seem to get much bigger..maybe my chest has reached its genetic limit reguarding size..?


Stronger doesn't mean bigger.

You get bigger by eating more and more, eat the same you were previously eating and you'll stay the same size.

Increase your calories if you're not growing.
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Re:chest development - Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:28 AM ( #11 )
my chest workout is based purely around heavy load, low volume bench presses twice a week, one set of repping out on 75% of my heavy loadwork,  and one set of press ups to failure twice a week (on the same day as benching). low volume always works best for me; i wouldnt make any progress if i chose the program on the initial post.
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Re:chest development - Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:41 PM ( #12 )
my new routine is flat bb bench, incline db and weighted dips..Its been a few weeks and i already see improvements, thanks for the tips guys!

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