bench reps at 225

For some reason I can hang clean more that I can powerclean. Im not quite sure why but it seems like u shloud be able to powerclean more then hangclean. Would anybody know y that is.

225 lbs reps are for the NFL players. college scout only look at reps of 205 for the bench for there prospects, or atleast this is the way i tis done here,no power cleans because not evry body trains for then and you could realy hurt your self.

Well it sucks now because the testing which tests the reps at powerclean and Bench is in a week. But i dont know what I can do. Im just gonna in blind and surprise myself. I mean I max reps after I bench for reps of 5x5 and I can only get like 17 or 18 or around that. So im not sure what i can do right now. Then for powerclean after I do a workout I max out on reps and I can only do like 11 and before that I actually did it 16 times fresh. so does anyone have any idea what ill be able to do. Im just hopin Ill go in and surprise myself. But Im not sure. Give me ur insight.

Hey Cannon i had the same problem before i was liftin and liftin and then eventually i would try to max and i wouldnt even be able to put up 200 for bench then i took some time off rested and then maxed out after my rest and i hit 240 ur over training thats it be u get all ur gains from resting i read somthin somewhere it siad like 99% of gains are from rest

Carlos'The Flexin Mexican'Lopez III

Good explination did u get that cannon?
 

Carlos'The Flexin Mexican'Lopez III

So how long should I wait before the actaully test. Like how long of rest. The testing is next thursday should I have more then 2 days or is 2 days good?

I dont bench everyday I just usually bench 2 times a week about 5 days apart. I justed benched today so should I not benchor do anything chest wise until the testing?

Ill try ur philosphy because last year I waited an entire week before I did the comp and I was 7 reps better then I had previoulsy expected. Like the sunday before I did 225 12 times then at the testing I did it 19 and then for PC I expected only to do it 3 or 4 times and i threw it up 8. So I like ur rest idea. But another question. Whats a good warmup to do before the lifting. I never warmup good enough I dont think so I screw myself in the long run. What would u say for a warmup on cleans and bench?

Well what they do is half the group goes outside to run timed fortys then the other half goes inside to lift and then at the end we all combine to run the mile. So we only do one lift a day. The first day is PC and the second day is bench. Whats the best warmup for bench high reps with low weight or work up to a decently high weight like should i only warmup with a few sets of 135 or like 1 set at 135 then one set at 185?

I took two weeks
 

Carlos'The Flexin Mexican'Lopez III

I took two weeks
 

Carlos'The Flexin Mexican'Lopez III

ORIGINAL: Pennsylvania Jock

That's exactly what I'm trying to say.  All those guys making the teams are not strong for their weight.  They have lots of fat.  It's just a thing that's been bothering me a lot recently, because I don't weigh a lot, but I'm stronger than most guys in my school by weight.  The coaches are just looking for guys who weigh a lot.  I just think football should be about strength and speed...not how much you weigh.  If it keeps going like this, we should just call it sumo-ball.  The people out there will be guys the size of sumo wrestlers.

Okay this is turning into a football thread now...
What I would like to say is this 300 lbs guy is probably a line man.  Strenght is not the most important thing for a lineman (although it is nessesary)  but size is the main thing that is needed.  His job is to stay between the defense and the quarterback or get to the quarterback.  it is a lot easier to move a 200 lbs guy that can bench 250 lbs than it is to move a 300 lbs guy that can only press 100 lbs. 
Now I am not a football play and never have been.  I am a Lacrosse Goalie and although I am faster and stronger than the other goalie on the team he weights almost 75 lbs more than I do and is 4 inchs taller.  His job is to take keep the ball out of the goal.  his size does most of the job for him.  I need to be fast and strong because I am smaller so there is more area to cover for me.  Does this make sense???

Agreed

But would a person that can squat 500 be able to move a person that weighs 300. That is the real question. Not in bench as much as in sqaut.

I dont suppose a kid asking for a good routine knows how to workout, meaning where did he get all that firepower

plus the fact that I, MYSELF going to a highschool packed with JUICERS that are at least 6 times the size of me, have never met a kid that can bench 225lbs 22 times. Im supposing your not a JUICER too. plus your not even a senior yet!

my school is like the ones in the movies, you wouldnt believe the # juicers in my school, this, for some reason doesnt allow me to believe you.

then again, i could be wrong, I really dont care, Im not jealous, but your the first I have ever seen other then all the kids like you on websites.

   
True, cannon sorry buddy, but i thought you were a newbie.  at 280 at 6 foot you seem more fat than muscle.  I bench 355 and and i just did 225 4 weeks ago at a football camp, and did it did it 17 times and i was dead after that.  I think that your lying, as i do respect what you say, please reframe yourself from lying.  It doesnt get you anywhere. 
-Mike

-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!

Im not lieing and iM not a newbie. Im on here like everybody else trying to learn things that I dont know. Just because Ive been lifting since I was in 6th grade and Im stronger then your average 17 year old doesnt mean Im lieing. I benched 200 when i was in 8th grade. and 300 at the end of my freshman year. So my gains have been slowing down since then. So I wanted to try some new things to advance me. I mean jeesh gimme a break. I dont tell 8pac that he is on roids because he has an 8 pack. Ur like all the other kids at my school. O he can lift that much, He must be jucing. Everyone always assumes that. Hey if u want I can have u come to my gym and Ill show u what I can lift.

300 BY FRESHMAN YEAR!!!!!!!!! no fu**ing way.  There is absouletly no frigging way you put that **** up.  Either your a juicer or lying.  I go with my second choice.  Dude you are 300 pounds and 6 foot.  Thats like morbidally obese.  There is no possible way you can do that.  I have been working out since age 14 and i have a huge amount of pain when i max out on bench.  And about your offer, id love to come to your gym.  As long as you can provide a videocamera to me so i can tape it and show it to our friends here at db.com  I had 50% that you were lying, now after that last post i def know you are 110% lying.
-Mike

-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!

ORIGINAL: dreagen

Okay this is turning into a football thread now...
What I would like to say is this 300 lbs guy is probably a line man.  Strenght is not the most important thing for a lineman (although it is nessesary)  but size is the main thing that is needed.  His job is to stay between the defense and the quarterback or get to the quarterback.  it is a lot easier to move a 200 lbs guy that can bench 250 lbs than it is to move a 300 lbs guy that can only press 100 lbs. 
Now I am not a football play and never have been.  I am a Lacrosse Goalie and although I am faster and stronger than the other goalie on the team he weights almost 75 lbs more than I do and is 4 inchs taller.  His job is to take keep the ball out of the goal.  his size does most of the job for him.  I need to be fast and strong because I am smaller so there is more area to cover for me.  Does this make sense???

Okay, let's say the 200 lb guy who benches 250 plays defensive line (Dave), and the 300 lb guy who benches 100 plays offensive line (Otis).  Assuming both their squats are in proportion with their bench (about 400 and 250, respectively), Dave is going to be faster, right?

Dave will be able to get up off the line faster than Otis.  Dave's hands will already be on Otis (first contact is critical on the line) before he gets up in his stance, so he'll have the advantage.  Then Dave would lean Otis's body to the side so his center of gravity is off; then Dave would be able to get through.

I play defensive end, which is a lineman position.  I only weigh 165; every other lineman on my team (offense and defense) weighs at least 210.  I'm not trying to brag here, but I won MVP last year for getting 18 sacks.  Every other lineman had at least 40 lbs on me.  How did I get through?  I got through by being the fastest.

I learned back in my freshman year the speed off the line is the key to getting the advantage.  Speed will increase by getting stronger, but staying pretty much the same weight.  So, I started doing some powerlifting in the offseason.  When I came back, I had a higher squat than everyone on my team save 2 people: our center who weighed 250, and our runningback who weighed 140 but was strong as hell.

This increase in my squat while staying at a low bodyweight helped me get a lot faster.  My hands were on the offensive lineman before he even stood halfway up.  By the time he got completely into his stance, I was already behind him.  Offensive lineman only have to block for at most 4-5 seconds because the quarterback should be able to pass or handoff the ball by then.  You have to be quick to be able to get a tackle or sack behind the line.

Contrary to common belief, football players don't need to weigh a lot to be good.  Speed, strength, and technique are the keys to becoming great.
 

ORIGINAL: Bigmike77

300 BY FRESHMAN YEAR!!!!!!!!! no fu**ing way.

 
There's a kid I know who's going to be a sophomore this year.  He put up 285 last spring.  I know it's not 300, but it is possible to get that if you powerlifted in middle school.

Age: 16
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 165

Bench: 205
Squat: 365
Deadlift: 385
Total: 955

Goal: 1000 by January of 2006

ORIGINAL: Bigmike77

300 BY FRESHMAN YEAR!!!!!!!!! no fu**ing way.

There's a kid I know who's going to be a sophomore this year.  He put up 285 last spring.  I know it's not 300, but it is possible to get that if you powerlifted in middle school.

with roids

ORIGINAL: MRBIGGIE

ORIGINAL: Bigmike77

300 BY FRESHMAN YEAR!!!!!!!!! no fu**ing way.

There's a kid I know who's going to be a sophomore this year.  He put up 285 last spring.  I know it's not 300, but it is possible to get that if you powerlifted in middle school.

with roids

BINGO!!!  No way any normal person can do that much at such a young age w/o and illegal supplements to help him/her out.  Just no way, i refuse to believe that without video camera proof, a drug test, and their birth certificate to show proper age. 
-Mike

-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!

Okay, just know these things:  he never did steroids; he mainly focuses on increasing his bench and rarely squats; he's about 5'6" and weighs about 215; his brother and father both have huge upper bodies...so he has good genes.

Age: 16
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 165

Bench: 205
Squat: 365
Deadlift: 385
Total: 955

Goal: 1000 by January of 2006

 
... i refuse to believe that without video camera proof, a drug test, and their birth certificate to show proper age. 

can you prove he hasnt?

-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!

Don't steroids make you huge all over?  He has pretty skinny legs and a huge upper body.  Most of the guys in gyms who have a heavy bench look like that, but I'm pretty sure they don't use roids.

Age: 16
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 165

Bench: 205
Squat: 365
Deadlift: 385
Total: 955

Goal: 1000 by January of 2006

I think it really depends, ive seem some guys at the gym who have the biggest legs ive ever seen in my life.  Then they hope on the bench or military press and they cant press out 100. 

-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!

I really dont wanna just back into the argument becasue i couldnt careless but i had to tell you something i've seen alot.

  Okay, just know these things:  he never did steroids; he mainly focuses on increasing his bench and rarely squats; he's about 5'6" and weighs about 215; his brother and father both have huge upper bodies...so he has good genes.

like I said, theres tons of juicers in my school and 90 percent of the juicers I know deny they are on steroids, and about the chicken leg thing, I've seen tons of juicers with chicken legs for some reason. So theres possibably no way you can know his on steroids or not. Maybe his dad and bro are probably on roids too, and maybe thats why he wanted to inject it too. You never know, and you should never believe.

I'd like to take the time to talk about someone I know... his name is Fat Michael.  Truth be told... he's my step-brother.  He's in the 7th grade, he's a few inches short of 6 feet, and oh yeah I almost forgot... he weighs 250 lbs. (pure fat, he benches like 55 lbs)  His man titties look like those construction cones.  He'll wear like 3 shirts to try to cover them up... but it doesn't work.  The name "Fat Michael" was given to him by one of my friends.  I know... it's cruel, but that's what he gets for being an a**hole and making my life miserable when I used to live with my Dad.

Fat Michael Joke:  A friend of mine once asked if I could bring her a picture of Fat Michael because she thought that I was exaggerating.  I replied "I can't."  "Why?" she said.  "Because the picture won't fit in my wallet."

So 300 lbs. is completely do-able by the end of freshman year.  I mean, Fat Michael is going to weigh that much before he even finishes middle school.

But geez, talk about a controversial topic.

wait im confused i thought we were talking about one kids 300 bench press weight at freshman year, not actual weight. 

-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!

My bad, there was a typo in a previous page.  But anyways, yea 300 lb bench freshman year is pretty rediculous.  My friend Joey who plays linebacker was able to bech 250 lbs his freshmen year.  So hey, it's possible.

But that Fat Michael story was pretty funny anyway.  Think of it as motivation to eat right.

Lol yea it was, but i still think that supplements other than protein need to be taken to bench that much.  But enough of this, its gone on too long.

-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!

Damn right, I'm pissed off about that.  Most of these so-called "good" football players just weigh a lot.  They're not strong at all.
 
Anorexic, muscle-relax induced retard?  Are you talking about me or the guy who could bench "a lot?"  And what's that mean, anyway?

Age: 16
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 165

Bench: 205
Squat: 365
Deadlift: 385
Total: 955

Goal: 1000 by January of 2006