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RE: and let it begin... - 8/28/2006 3:36:57 PM
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Jayman30187
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You can tell this dude has been working out hard.
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/28/2006 3:41:00 PM
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Thats a SICK back... good luck.
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/28/2006 4:09:50 PM
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love the vascularity, not to much not to little, its just right
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/28/2006 4:17:51 PM
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Looking good.
What're your goals?
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/28/2006 4:30:36 PM
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what kind of tats are those nd whend you get inked
did you get those tats before buffing up cause I always wondered if someone got a tat before bulking up wouldnt it stretch out and move to another unwanted place after buffin up like the one on ur back which is the middle if you buff up the back more wouldnt it move outta place outta the Center
your stack sucks *************** all the liver support pills and milk thistle in the world wont help ya nd even if it did wich it wont
after stopping the use of that stack cycle your muscle will deflate like a baloon since it wont have the same support as it did b4
you only startd recently
drop the stak and stik to natural whole foods
drop the shi t before its to late
drop the shi t before its to late
drop the shi t before its to late
drop the shi t
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/28/2006 4:42:12 PM
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what kind of tats are those nd whend you get inked
did you get those tats before buffing up cause I always wondered if someone got a tat before bulking up wouldnt it stretch out and move to another unwanted place after buffin up like the one on ur back which is the middle if you buff up the back more wouldnt it move outta place outta the Center
your stack sucks ***************** all the liver support pills and milk thistle in the world wont help ya nd even if it did wich it wont
after stopping the use of that stack your muscle will deflate like a baloon since it wont have the same support as it did b4
you only started recently
drop the stack and stick to natural whole foods
drop the shi t before its to late
drop the shi t
ok...i'll try to answer everything the best I can. The tattoos were both designed by me, the one on my back is my version of my family crest, and the one on my right arm is Proverbs 3:1 with a wolf howling at the moon in the middle. I got the tats before I got in shape. They were done by Jimmy at Modern Age Tattoos in NY.
why do you think i'll lose all my size after the cycle? The entire purpose of PCT is to infact KEEP size. I might lose 1-3lbs during PCT, but I am not planning on much more than that. What basis do you have to say liver support herbs dont work? can you quote any direct experiments?
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/28/2006 4:59:19 PM
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You have been a member of this forum for long enough and I am sure you have researched what you are taking. Don't worry about bold statements from a new user. I have never read anything bad about the things you are taking. IMO I would be careful with the milk thistle and similiar products b/c I am not sold on them yet. I used to box with an older guy who was a recovering acoholic and he took that stuff. It made him feel better then ever he said.
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/28/2006 6:54:42 PM
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Excuse my ignorance of the subject, but what's the methyl? Pro hormone or steroid?
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/28/2006 7:08:14 PM
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prohormone. Methyl 1-D is a non-methyl(dont mind the name, lol) prohormone, and Methyl 1-Alpha is a methyl prohormone(basically much stronger and much more aggressive on the liver).
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/29/2006 4:26:09 PM
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That makes 2 Jews from NY (that I know of) hanging around this forum! Proverbs 3:1 (one variation: “My son, don't forget my teaching; but let your heart keep my commandments…”) in Hebrew, original choice (even though getting inked is prohibited to Jews, but hey, a lot of things are prohibited to us that we still do [which still doesn’t justify our actions], (although I don’t like anything permanent) I would’ve chosen a white and black striped Siberian tiger but a wolf howling is a great variation too… The crest in the upper center of your back is great, it’s an original tattoo and in an original location (as opposed to the usual upper right tat most have).
To critique your upper body pics: your overall back is in surprisingly good proportion, the definition is great (A)  , you’ll get that A+ soon! Your overall chest and Serratus Anterior development is good; your midsection needs work (what’s your BF%? [“bulk cycle belly”?].
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prohormone. Methyl 1-D is a non-methyl(dont mind the name, lol) prohormone, and Methyl 1-Alpha is a methyl prohormone(basically much stronger and much more aggressive on the liver).
Yes!
Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn… Where did it all go wrong? C’mon, you still had room for improvement without these “supplement enhancers”, I’m sure you could’ve hit 18”/18.5”+ arms etc. before completely plateauing or is it because you want the “quick gains” (if so, “patience goes a long way”)!?
There are a few prohormone left on the market since the prohormone ban in January 2005, however, IMO the ones still on the market are pure ****!
Why’d you choose M1A (M1T’s brother [T for Test]) over any other “supplement/s”? “You gotta do what you gotta do”!
Why’d you choose M1D post M1A, why not M1P?
Ok, first off, I suppose/hope you know that taking M1A (prohormone) will increasingly shut down your natural testosterone production throughout your cycle (and it will never be the same again post cycle no matter what PCT you do), and the peak of natural test production for a healthy male is from 18-21+, so I hope you’re over 21+++! You started yesterday, how’s your lower-mid back feeling (if you have back pain eat potassium), lethargy etc.?
M1A stays in your system for about 24 hours. Are you hydrating properly?
How many mg’s of Milk Thistle (active ingredient = silymarin extract) & Hawthorn Berry are you taking, are you taking it once, twice or three times a day (how many hours do you use to spread them out)? I remember a post by you from a little while ago concerning loose stools, get ready for possibly even looser stools as a side effect of Milk Thistle.
I like your Post Cycle Therapy (PCT), it shows that you’ve done some research before going over the hill as opposed to some ignorant talking the other day about using Formadrol for PCT – yea if your bucking for bitch tits (gyno)... Even though M1A can’t convert to estrogen, as you may well know when you stop using M1A you're left with lower than normal test levels… Nolvadex keeps your aromatization and estrogen low & in check which in turn will help kick start your natural testosterone production (however, it will never be the same [as before], and that’s the whole catch, since it will never be the same, you’ll keep going back and back until your left with a prematurely balding head [if it’s in your genes even though they block DHT & put a 5AR inhibitor in], bitch tits [gynecomastia], soft muscles and a shrunken dick & balls etc. etc. etc. along with all the other serious internal (vital organs) health problems)! Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) or Clomid is definitely the way to go (6OXO is good addition too) for PCT!
Not trying to rain on your parade or anything, but, I’ve done my share of research on “supplements” (mostly steroids, however, I have a fairly basic knowledge on prohormones like M1T etc., Trenadrol, Superdrol etc.), and the end result after all that research was that “the natural way is always better than the artificial”!!! I’m standing by my MultiVitamins, Lean Proteins, Complex Starchy Carbohydrates, Complex Fibrous Carbohydrates, EFA’s (Essential Fatty Acids), Water etc.!
Chew on that for a bit and I’ll be back soon (I saved some good info on M1T or M1A in a M Word doc by someone from bb.com a little while ago, I’ll dig it up when I get the chance [after eating]).
To be continued…
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/29/2006 5:36:29 PM
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I don't even know what all this stuff is, but good luck with it Vaughn, TIHulk, where you been at? Haven't heard from you in a minute.
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/29/2006 6:10:22 PM
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Damn Vaughn, I can't wait for pictures after. You're already huge.
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/29/2006 7:16:25 PM
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To be continued…
I forgot to ask, how many calories are you eating over maintenance? (You should be eating so much that by the time the cycle's over you should get disgusted just by the smell of food! Stuff your mouth with clean foods, you don't want not to gain potential muscle cause of lack diet, if you gain fat along the way, you can cut thereafter, there's always an after!)
" m1t: The quick and dirty guide to using it
I have compiled a few commonly asked questions new users ask before getting into m1t. Please note that this thread is by no means makes you completely knowledgeable.
I am 18, I have had 4 years plus lifting experience, I feel I’ve reached a plateau and want to use m1t :
I’ve heard this question over and over and would to prevent all those below 21 who want to use m1t, or any other ph under the age of 21. This is basically inhibiting your body’s natural production of testosterone. Between the ages of 18 thorough 21, males experience the highest test production. If you feel you want to supplement, I would strongly suggest you look for Test boosters, like tribulus and 6oxo. Please note that this has nothing to do with your lack of so called maturity or the feeling that youngsters are careless. This is scientific and numerous studies have been performed in this regard.
This is my first ph cycle ………..
M1t is not the right ph to start out on ph’s. M1t is the fine line between steroids and prosteroids. If used right it can have positive effects but carelessness and lack of research can lead to irrevesible damage. I would strongly recommend either 1AD or 1-T before running m1t. It always helps to have some kind of experience with prohormones before getting to use something this toxic.
I have just got a bottle of m1t , how do I use it.
The safest way to use m1t is to keep the dosage low. All over the boards you can find people using m1t up to high doses of 20mg. I would suggest the following cycle.
Week 1 – 5mg
Week 2 – 10mg
Week 3 - 10mg
Week 4 – 10mg
What times of the day do I take m1t?
Different people have different opinions to this question. From what I've seen, the over all consensus is to take the first dose in the morning with an empty stomach with loads of water. The next with your preworkout meal with good fats like EFA's and peanut butter. m1t reduces blood sugar levels hence the lethargy. A carb and fat rich meal would somehow help a little bit here.This is my opinion, others differ with it. However preworkout m1t gives awesome pumps during the workout/weight training routine.
Does m1t require a PCT?
The presence of M1t in the body inhibits the production of the body’s natural testosterone. Once you jump off the cycle you will need to restart your body’s natural test production. A Post Cycle Therapy is therefore required.
Give me a sample m1t PCT.
Week 5 Nolvadex 40mg 6oxo –600mg
Week 6 Nolvadex 40mg 6oxo - 600mg
Week 7 Nolvadex 20mg 6oxo – 300mg
Week 8 Nolvadex 20mg 6oxo - 100mg
Is 6oxo good enough by itself for a m1t PCT, most people say it is enough
No! By no means is 6oxo standalone strong enough to restart the test production in your body. Also 6oxo is not as effective an anti estrogen as Nolvadex. Nolvadex is therefore ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for an m1t cycle. Please note its Nolvadex not novedex or nolvedex. Please look for Tamoxifen Citrate.
What are the sides of m1t, how can I combat these sides?
The common sides of m1t are
*Lethargy and Feverishness – Stack m1t with 4AD. Preload 4AD @ 200mg / day (dermal) or 400mg/day (oral) for 1 week.
Followed by 4AD alongside m1t for 4 weeks @ 400mg/ day dermal or 900mg/day oral .
*Back pain, soreness, tingling sensations: This maybe attributed to the lowering of Potassium values in the body. Increased potassium intake with loads of water should take care of lower back pain. Bananas and soy milk are the secret to combat this problem.
*Testicular atrophy a.k.a my balls are shrinking :
Yes, this is a common side effect of using any prohormone. However this is nothing to worry about. Under normal circumstances, you will get back to your normal size after the PCT.
Incase of extreme cases the following can be tried.
Day 1 Clomid @ 300mg
Week 5 Clomid @ 100mg
Week 5/6 Clomid @ 50mg
To the best of my knowledge this has cured most cases of testicular atrophy.
*Puffy nipples, soreness aka gyno
To make a long story short excess test is converted to estrogen in the body. This leads to the famous problem called gyno. In most cases, estrogen based gyno can be handled too.
Week 5-6 Nolva @ 80mg
Week 7-8 Nolva @ 40mg
Week9-10 Nolva @ 20mg
*Loss of libido, loss of erectile hardness etc in the PCT.
“I used 4AD, I was fine, but i just got into the pct I am losing my drive”. This is another commonly heard complaint. 4AD converts to test. In your pct, you stop 4AD while your receptor sites have not started your body's natural production of test. If you want to get your drive back I would suggest using both Nolva and Clomid together. Clomid however makes you moody and prone to irritation, therefore be cautious and use clomid at lower doses.
If you want to have sex while using m1t and are “ not able to get it up” then I would suggest you use Tadafil Citrate aka Cialis. I personally feel Cialis is more effective than Viagra.
*Nose Bleeds:
This is attributed to elevated BP , blood pressure levels while using m1t. Hawthorne berry must be used to keep this in check.
What is preloading? How does it help my liver?
M1t takes the oral route within the body. The body’s natural filter is the liver. M1t is toxic, this means that your liver will take a beating while you use M1t. It is always better to preload that is to run a liver protector before jumping on the cycle.
Milk thistle @ 1000mg preloaded along with 4AD a week before the m1t starts.
PCT Milk thistle @ 1000mg for 2 weeks.
If budget permits you can also look into NAC.
Does running milk thistle along side m1t inhibit gains.
No, silymarin does not inhibit any gains and does not have any chemical significance. It is purely for the liver. Its effect however is best in the preload and pct.
What are other good supplements I can run along side m1t.
Make sure you take your multivitamins and EFA’s. If creatine works for you , go for it. Pretty much I would recommend using m1t for bulking. Some use ph’s for cutting cycles. M1t may not be ideal to run for a cutting cycle but this is only my opinion.
>Hawthorne berry is also a great supplement to control BP. Dosage is around 565mg/day.
>Tribulus is a great testosterone booster that can be included in the PCT
Week 5&6 - 5g/day
Week 7&8 - 2.5g/day
>Zinc: Make sure that your m1t cycle has 35mg of zinc and your PCT has 50mg of zinc.If you can throw in ZMA, wether it works or not, it gives you great sleep so try it if you got the money.
> Saw Palmetto: The prostrate is one delicate part of your system that you do not want to affect under any circumstances.
SP @ 320mg/day
I have used m1t before, I want to use it with other methylated products. Is this safe?
m1t is toxic by itself alone. m1t/m5AA cutters are very popluar among many users. However I feel, the load is too much on the liver. You might want to consider a 1AD/m5 kind of stack.
I took m1t, its 2 weeks up, I still don’t see any change. Why?
Well, its not m1t’s fault, there is some mistake on your part. Most people underestimate the simple dictum of eating heavy and eating right. Please make sure that your calorics are adjusted to your body weight and height. I do not need to comment on your nutrition, but make sure that you take in 1.7-2g of Protein /lb of body weight.Roughly around week 2.5 through 4 you should start gains of 1lb/day.
Make sure your carbs and EFA’s are at a maximum
You need to drink @ least 1.5 gallons of water while on m1t.
My cycle is over, I have to keep my gains, how do I do it.
If you want to keep your gains, make sure you take nolvadex. You will lose a little bloat/size due to water retention attributed to the 4AD. Its good to take creatine and nitrous based compounds or cell volumisers at this point to keep your gains. I have not used CEE, but am looking to do so in the near future.
I had a very satisfying cycle, my pct made me recover fine, I want to get back into another cycle.
Well,this is something I've seen in many people, the temptation to use m1t. Sure it does give good results, but you've gotta understand that you have a life apart from bbing. Imho make sure you give a full two month gap between cycles. After all you've got just one liver to use for a lifetime.
I do not know where to get the necessary supplements/ chems for my PCT.
Please do not ask on the forums for sources. I will try to help you through secure mail or pm’s.
I want to know wether I have fully recovered, what should I do?
If you have the money or if your medical insurace covers it, do a blood work 20-30 days after you stop your pct. Make sure you check your liver and test levels. If it is all back to normal and you have had significant gains, you have had one hell of a cycle!
Last but not the least, find time to sleep. The body repairs and test is boosted during sleep. When on m1t make sure YOU SLEEP FOR 8 HOURS.
I am not a doctor and neither do my opinions construe medical advice. These are just my views after using and researching about this product and answering a number of queries from users who were as confused as me when I first started it.
The m1t checklist :
m1t
4AD (optional)
Milkthistle
Hawthorne Berry
Nolvadex
Saw Palmetto
Clomid (optional)
6oxo (optional)
ZMA (optional)
Tribulus" - Krzna
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=420872
Good Luck! 
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/29/2006 7:34:37 PM
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VaughnTrue
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That makes 2 Jews from NY (that I know of) hanging around this forum! Proverbs 3:1 (one variation: “My son, don't forget my teaching; but let your heart keep my commandments…”) in Hebrew, original choice (even though getting inked is prohibited to Jews, but hey, a lot of things are prohibited to us that we still do [which still doesn’t justify our actions], (although I don’t like anything permanent) I would’ve chosen a white and black striped Siberian tiger but a wolf howling is a great variation too… The crest in the upper center of your back is great, it’s an original tattoo and in an original location (as opposed to the usual upper right tat most have).
To critique your upper body pics: your overall back is in surprisingly good proportion, the definition is great (A) , you’ll get that A+ soon! Your overall chest and Serratus Anterior development is good; your midsection needs work (what’s your BF%? [“bulk cycle belly”?].
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ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue
prohormone. Methyl 1-D is a non-methyl(dont mind the name, lol) prohormone, and Methyl 1-Alpha is a methyl prohormone(basically much stronger and much more aggressive on the liver).
Yes!
Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn… Where did it all go wrong? C’mon, you still had room for improvement without these “supplement enhancers”, I’m sure you could’ve hit 18”/18.5”+ arms etc. before completely plateauing or is it because you want the “quick gains” (if so, “patience goes a long way”)!?
There are a few prohormone left on the market since the prohormone ban in January 2005, however, IMO the ones still on the market are pure ****!
Why’d you choose M1A (M1T’s brother [T for Test]) over any other “supplement/s”? “You gotta do what you gotta do”!
Why’d you choose M1D post M1A, why not M1P?
Ok, first off, I suppose/hope you know that taking M1A (prohormone) will increasingly shut down your natural testosterone production throughout your cycle (and it will never be the same again post cycle no matter what PCT you do), and the peak of natural test production for a healthy male is from 18-21+, so I hope you’re over 21+++! You started yesterday, how’s your lower-mid back feeling (if you have back pain eat potassium), lethargy etc.?
M1A stays in your system for about 24 hours. Are you hydrating properly?
How many mg’s of Milk Thistle (active ingredient = silymarin extract) & Hawthorn Berry are you taking, are you taking it once, twice or three times a day (how many hours do you use to spread them out)? I remember a post by you from a little while ago concerning loose stools, get ready for possibly even looser stools as a side effect of Milk Thistle.
I like your Post Cycle Therapy (PCT), it shows that you’ve done some research before going over the hill as opposed to some ignorant talking the other day about using Formadrol for PCT – yea if your bucking for bitch tits (gyno)... Even though M1A can’t convert to estrogen, as you may well know when you stop using M1A you're left with lower than normal test levels… Nolvadex keeps your aromatization and estrogen low & in check which in turn will help kick start your natural testosterone production (however, it will never be the same [as before], and that’s the whole catch, since it will never be the same, you’ll keep going back and back until your left with a prematurely balding head [if it’s in your genes even though they block DHT & put a 5AR inhibitor in], bitch tits [gynecomastia], soft muscles and a shrunken dick & balls etc. etc. etc. along with all the other serious internal (vital organs) health problems)! Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) or Clomid is definitely the way to go (6OXO is good addition too) for PCT!
Not trying to rain on your parade or anything, but, I’ve done my share of research on “supplements” (mostly steroids, however, I have a fairly basic knowledge on prohormones like M1T etc., Trenadrol, Superdrol etc.), and the end result after all that research was that “the natural way is always better than the artificial”!!! I’m standing by my MultiVitamins, Lean Proteins, Complex Starchy Carbohydrates, Complex Fibrous Carbohydrates, EFA’s (Essential Fatty Acids), Water etc.!
Chew on that for a bit and I’ll be back soon (I saved some good info on M1T or M1A in a M Word doc by someone from bb.com a little while ago, I’ll dig it up when I get the chance [after eating]).
To be continued…
WOW! quite a post. lemme see what I can do to answer it all. Thank you for the tattoo comments, the translation I normally go with is "My child, do not forget my teachings, but let my commandments live in your heart".
1.My BF% appears to be much higher in my most muscular pose due to me bending over(i still have some extra skin left over from my gut). Standing straight up I have a pretty good 6 pack now, and I am at =/<10% BF.
2.You are correct in assuming that I could have hit a bigger arm/ANY muscle if I had more patience and gave it more time. But my goal isnt an 18" arm, so I dont feel like working 10 more years to settle for an 18" arm. Id rather push my body a little bit more, and squeeze that extra 2" in.
3. I chose Methyl 1-d and Methyl 1-Alpha for pretty simple reasons. I've heard decent-good reviews, I got an incredible deal on the entire stack, and I was able to find more raw data on this stack than any others(besides halodrol, which i refuse to use). Another reason I chose the "brother of M1T" is because I know that due to past experience, my body had little to 0 side effects with it. When I was 16, I knew nothing about diet, proper technique, or ANYTHING...I went through 2 full bottles of Gasparis M1T, no PCT and everything seemed fine(all my liver screens are normal, and I can assure you that my natural test levels are quite good...well my girlfriend can attest to that at least haha). So although there may be "better" choices out there, this seemed to fit me the very best at this point in time.
4. I HAVE had mild back pain, but it was due to a set of sloppy dead lifts last week. I've actually felt 100% since starting the pills.
5. I am doing my best to hydrate properly. I am drinking 1 gallon of skim milk a day, and multiple glasses of water(milk = hydration + calories = amazing.)
6. My suppliments include...
Hawthorne Berries - 1695mg/day
Vitamin C - 2000mg/day
Liver Clean - Propietary blend/450mg- 1 hour after 3 meals
Centrum Performance - 1 tablet daily
Red Yeast Rice - 2400mg/day
Milk Thistle - 2400mg- 3 times daily(7200mg daily)
I appreciate your concern, but I am fairly confident that not only can my body handle this stack, but that I shall be fine(of course, only with proper doctor visits and testing). There are pro's and con's to everything...this is something I need to try for myself, and I believe I've made the right decision.
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Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"
Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/30/2006 2:32:07 PM
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TIHulk
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WOW! quite a post.
Just trying to be straight forward, as is my style… I owed you one - http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_156506/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#156990… Now we’re almost even-steven till next time (that is if I’m still around for next time)…
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Thank you for the tattoo comments, the translation I normally go with is "My child, do not forget my teachings, but let my commandments live in your heart".
From what I can see on your arm (2 words)… The translation of: Hebrew - ”Banai”=“My son”; Hebrew - ”Torahti”=“My Torah (Torah=Bible, teachings from the Bible)”…
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1.My BF% appears to be much higher in my most muscular pose due to me bending over(i still have some extra skin left over from my gut). Standing straight up I have a pretty good 6 pack now,
Hmm… I hear you…
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and I am at =/<10% BF.
Good job... Keep it up!
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2.You are correct in assuming that I could have hit a bigger arm/ANY muscle if I had more patience and gave it more time. But my goal isnt an 18" arm,
What is your goal?
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so I dont feel like working 10 more years to settle for an 18" arm.
I don’t think it would’ve taken you 10 years (maybe 2 depending on a number of factors, however, it is said that after about 5 years [depending] of serious bodybuilding the body refuses to grow much more & definitely not as much as the first 1-2 years) but hey, like I said, “you gotta do what you gotta do”…
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Id rather push my body a little bit more, and squeeze that extra 2" in.
I thought you said that’s not your goal?!... Or are you merely saying along the way to your goal you’d rather “squeeze that extra 2 inches”?!…
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3. I chose Methyl 1-d and Methyl 1-Alpha for pretty simple reasons. I've heard decent-good reviews, I got an incredible deal on the entire stack, and I was able to find more raw data on this stack than any others(besides halodrol, which i refuse to use). Another reason I chose the "brother of M1T" is because I know that due to past experience, my body had little to 0 side effects with it. When I was 16, I knew nothing about diet, proper technique, or ANYTHING...I went through 2 full bottles of Gasparis M1T, no PCT
Wow, messin' with Methyl at 16 & no PCT!?!… I can preach and pry but I won’t… Whatever happened, happened, you can’t change the past, you can merely learn from it, evidently/hopefully you at least learnt not to do such things without the proper research beforehand!
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and everything seemed fine (all my liver screens are normal, and I can assure you that my natural test levels are quite good...well my girlfriend can attest to that at least haha).
Maybe they could’ve of been better, maybe they could’ve been above normal & above quite good!
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So although there may be "better" choices out there, this seemed to fit me the very best at this point in time.
At least now you know what you’re getting your self into…
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4. I HAVE had mild back pain, but it was due to a set of sloppy dead lifts last week. I've actually felt 100% since starting the pills.
Hmm… Sounds suspicious, IMO keep your potassium intake in-check…
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5. I am doing my best to hydrate properly. I am drinking 1 gallon of skim milk a day, and multiple glasses of water(milk = hydration + calories = amazing.)
Milk is ok, however, milk=lactose (disaccharide)=simple sugar/carbohydrate; milk can cause bloating; milk contains calcium & protein along with other nutrients & vitamins (be aware=too much calcium is one of the major factors that can cause the formation of kidney/gout stones [especially calcium oxalate=spinach], try to keep calcium intake [whether from {especially} supplement OR food] around 1000-1500 mg a day [1200 mg is fine] and no more than 2000 mg a day).
1 gallon of skim (may contain even more calcium than whole) milk seems a bit steep, are you drinking this much milk for your cycle or is this your regular daily intake of milk? Is your urine coming out a bit whitish cloudy?
You should be drinking 1.5+ gallons of water while on M1A, since you’re drinking 1 gallon of milk, I would recommend you drink around .75 gallon of water spread out daily...
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6. My suppliments include...
It looks like you’re od’ing (over dosing) on your supplements, is there any reason for this?
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Vitamin C - 2000mg/day
I think we’ve just found out why you have loose stools, 2 g (2000 mg) of Vitamin C from supplements in addition to the Vitamin C you’re already getting from your diet is steep, 1 g (1000 mg) or less of Vitamin C from supplements should be fine (side note – I take around 400 mg from supplements [since I eat vegetables that contain high amounts of Vitamin C, Tom Venuto said he includes 1 g (1000 mg) of Vitamin C from supplements)… Read & heed: http://chemo.net/newpage35.htm...
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Centrum Performance - 1 tablet daily
Centrum Performance= http://www.centrumperformance.com/products/labeling.asp contains Iron=18mg, a little less than this amount is recommended for menstruating women rather than men (since we get the proper iron intake from food). Centrum Performance is not a good MultiVitamin for bodybuilders… I take NOW – Adam - http://www.nowfoods.com/index.php?action=itemdetail&item_id=13687 (as do many others), IMO buck for something similar…
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Hawthorne Berries - 1695mg/day
Milk Thistle - 2400mg- 3 times daily(7200mg daily)
Did you preload on Milk Thistle 1 week or so prior to starting M1A?
Concerning proper dosage of Hawthorne Berry & Milk Thistle while on M1T (similar for M1A), refer to “m1t: The quick and dirty guide to using it” - http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/fb.aspx?m=177374...
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I appreciate your concern, but I am fairly confident that not only can my body handle this stack, but that I shall be fine(of course, only with proper doctor visits and testing). There are pro's and con's to everything...this is something I need to try for myself, and I believe I've made the right decision.
Hey, if you think this was the right thing to do for yourself & the right time to do it and you’re ready to face the consequences of your actions, all the power to you!… One day you’ll either stand by your actions and say that you made the right decision for that time or you’ll think otherwise, let’s hope it’s the former and not the latter!…
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RE: and let it begin... - 8/30/2006 5:58:03 PM
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VaughnTrue
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-my goal is in the area of a 20" arm.
-I had NO idea what I was messing with when I took Gaspari's M1T. I worked for a local gym and the owned told me "hey kid...i have these new suppliments that work AWESOME. Only $50 a bottle". He was HUGE, and I was young a dumb...so I went for it.
-I haven't had loose stool in quite some time now. I OD on Vitamin C without a question, but it really makes me feel better when I take a bit extra, so I figure why not. As for the rest of the supps, I am following the dosages on the bottle exactly(some do seem somewhat high to me also).
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"poena est vires in dissimulo"
Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"
Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%
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Hehe, same here, 20" arms and 17" forearms with a single digit BF%... It's definitely going to be very difficult, however, possible with hard dedicated work and consistency!