alcohol and weightlifting

Why does social life have to involve drinking? can't it just involve hot strippers? I mean im ready to workout first thing the next morning after a few lapdances:P

 
Yup!
lol...
 
Theres not much difference between the lifestyle you choose now. Whether you all smoke weed or do coke or booze out. The effects will probably come in when you reach your late 40s. Speaking of taking drugs while working out, a couple of years ago, I always took meth a few hours before I workout and before I study. It was the best feeling (better than most supplements now!) and eventually my body DID grow but it didnt look healthy. So one fine day I decided that this lifestyle's gonna f*** up my future and decided to do something about it. Sure, you'll be cool and all that when doing this in your life now but lets just hope that those friends you're trying to impress chill out with you beside your deathbed in the future...

and you ar 6'4" 200 lbs!

I am 5'8.5 163lbs 15.5& BF and I used to drink 12+ beers, or 10+ shots... and then be sck the next day

I've been there and done that, I'm sure I have fun during the peak of it, but I feel like absolute crap afterwards. Besides, I won't remember the good times I had when I'm piss-drunk anyways. I just find a happy middle road that won't have a major effect on my health.

yup, i think it screwed with my head

lol... you'll go blur for a day or two...
Things around you will seem surreal...
Ive always wanted to try absinthe though...

My best high was actually on mushrooms. Was a one time only thing that I'll never forget.

Wow yall, you guys are talking outta my league now.  I just meant having maybe a six pack twice a month at a sporting event (since it's football season now).  But whatever yall like is totally cool with me, can respect whatever.
 
Big Mike I guess you're right in the long run.  It's all just gonna end up hurting me, so why do it right?  I am just stating from personal experience, however, if I go out one night on the weekend and drink a little that my workout on monday is not effected in the least.  I just think you should always be having fun with what you are doing, and if you can do that sober than you are a better man than me.

ORIGINAL: raider71
  I just think you should always be having fun with what you are doing, and if you can do that sober than you are a better man than me.

But that's . . . that's  . . . just sad to think you can only have fun when you're under the influence of something.

Take it from the guys who are twice your age.  Your habits today will haunt you tomorrow.  A six-pack when you're 21 is nothing; when you're 31, it's a lot more, and God help you when you're 41.  17? Ha!  you haven't even started to live your life.  Why start out poorly? 

At 38, and I realize I've got maybe 50 years to go.  50 years.  Damn, that's a long time.  Why be short-sighted today to suffer tomorrow?

Smoking today (legal or illegal) has long-term effects.  Is it worth it to party today but be on a ventilator before you finally kick the bucket?  If you haven't seen a dissection of a smoker's lung, do it now.   Or watch one of your family members die because of what they did to their once healthy cells.

This isn't a total railing against all vices.  Moderation is best if you have to indulge (at least in drinking; I can never say that about smoking; sorry Grandpa).  But do it for the "right" reasons (as best as they are), and if it's your only way to have fun, that's not a right reason.  Nor is trying to fit in.  Think about it.

"If there's nothing else that's relevant, I'll be leaving now"

"Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground"

I drink a 6 pack after a bad day at work or If I am pissed off.  I stick to light beer and just dont abuse it.  When I was in college I got trashed probally 1 weekend a month.  Now that I am done with School Im not stupid anymore. I realize its not worth it the next day.
 
I have gone out for a few drinks before the Gym,  I never got drunk or anything but had some in me.  I left fine, just a little slower than ususal.

Someone once said that alcohol is the elixir of life. Just be careful to drink only quality drinks. A lot of that sh*t has stuff like aspartame in it that f*cks up your brain.

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Someone once said that alcohol is the elixir of life. Just be careful to drink only quality drinks. A lot of that sh*t has stuff like aspartame in it

Aspartame in alcoholic beverages? WTF. Are you sure about that? What kinds of beer and liquor have that?

5' 11'' , 176 lbs, 10%BF

There are a few types out there with some in it.
There is a new malt liquer that is like an energy drink, and it has a diet version with aspartame in it.

There is a new malt liquer that is like an energy drink, and it has a diet version with aspartame in it

Bah! Those are girly drinks. If your gonna drink, do it right with some quality ale(not piss water bud) or hard liquor.

5' 11'' , 176 lbs, 10%BF

Well, in this great debate im with my fellow drinkers.
 
These are supposdley the best years of our lifes, and making the best of it is what i see. Your all saying it's ok now at this age, well if it's ok now then **** it, just do it
 
And i dont think you'll be binging going to clubs as much when you are 31 or 41 as gzinkl was warning us about.

To train or not to train; to train is the answer - because if you aim for nothing, you'll hit it everytime.

i would rather die tomorrow and know that ive lived today rather than spending my whole life being all good i want to drink with friends and have a good time ( try to fit in? be cool? what the f**k are you on about if we drink we do it to be social and have a bit of a laugh) i want to experience everything life has to offer and when i am 100 years old all curled up in a chair grasping for my jack daniels i know i will have led a good life and done all the things i wanted to do rather than you who is 101 years old outside shouting at 'menacing youths' who are out drinking. phew rant over. but i do respect people who get the same enjoyment we get from drinking with friends by doing more healthier pass-times but please dont slam our way of clocking down our own clock of time.
 
we all die in the end but who dies having more fun?.

Why does social life have to involve drinking? can't it just involve hot strippers? I mean im ready to workout first thing the next morning after a few lapdances:P

 
i have to agree with blitz, i personally dont drink or smoke anything, if i did, i wouldnt lift as hard as i do, and would feel like im cheating myself, sounds cheezy, but true...HOWEVER...i would feel perfectly fine if i wasnt goin as hard in a workout if i was tired from bein up all night gettin a lapdance. but thats just me  

personally, i spent a lot of my late teenage years binge drinking and smoking pot... but recently i've really dedicated myself to my general health (the reasons and motivations for such are surely for another thread) and since that point heavy drinking and smoking are just unapealing to me. I have a drink or two every now and then (maybe 5 or 6 on a specail occasion) but i always restrict myself. If you feel it in the morning, you're liver took some serious damage.  As for smoking, who wants all that **** in their lungs..... but if you must get high (and, every now and then, i must) i recommend you look into a vaporizer

If you're in high school and you smoke/drink then you are doing it to fit in and be "cool".  Why is it "cool"?  Because older people do it.  Why do older people do it? Because they're idiots.
 
Read this all of you teenage drinkers: http://www.rense.com/general43/treen.htm
 
It is well documented that alcohol affects the brain and kills brain cells.  Until the age of 24 your brain is still maturing.  By drinking, you are making yourself (for lack of a better word) stupid.
 
Let's all be perfectly honest here.  Alcohol (liquor or beer) has the taste of ass.  It's not a good tasting beverage.  The only reason to drink it is to feel its effects.  If you need those effects in order to have a good time then you need to rethink either 1) your friends, or 2) the places you hang out in.
 
Go ahead and have a social life.  You don't need to drink in order to have one.
 
And don't get me started on smoking.  If you smoke (pot, tobacco, whatever) you're an idiot.  Simple as that.

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Well, in this great debate im with my fellow drinkers.

And i dont think you'll be binging going to clubs as much when you are 31 or 41 as gzinkl was warning us about.

I wasn't warning about continued binging (although if at 16 you think you know enough that you'll be able to stop anytime you want without knowing what kind of tendencies you already have (e.g., are there alcoholics in your family?  Do you rationalize your drinking?), then you're more mature than most.  But that's what my (now-alcoholic-recovering-friends thought too).  I was just saying that smoking and drinking has negative side effects that just get worse as you age.

"If there's nothing else that's relevant, I'll be leaving now"

"Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground"

ORIGINAL: Kant1

If you're in high school and you smoke/drink then you are doing it to fit in and be "cool".  Why is it "cool"?  Because older people do it.  Why do older people do it? Because they're idiots.

Read this all of you teenage drinkers: http://www.rense.com/general43/treen.htm

It is well documented that alcohol affects the brain and kills brain cells.  Until the age of 24 your brain is still maturing.  By drinking, you are making yourself (for lack of a better word) stupid.

Let's all be perfectly honest here.  Alcohol (liquor or beer) has the taste of ass.  It's not a good tasting beverage.  The only reason to drink it is to feel its effects.  If you need those effects in order to have a good time then you need to rethink either 1) your friends, or 2) the places you hang out in.

Go ahead and have a social life.  You don't need to drink in order to have one.

And don't get me started on smoking.  If you smoke (pot, tobacco, whatever) you're an idiot.  Simple as that.

good post kant!!

-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!

Regardless of what people say, alcohol isn't really going to make anyone go from being smart to stupid. I binge drink 3 nights a week and have a 3.5 at a good university. ( I'm 21 btw)
 
As far as marijuana, there is no evidence that it will slow your gains. Stop believing everything your ninth grade health teacher tells you and live a little.
 
Jebiah you took the words right out of my mouth. Why should I live my whole life worrying about how I'm going to feel when I am 40 or older? You may get to 40 in good shape, but look back and have no memorable experiences that make you laugh, smile, feel good, etc. Now I have no problem for those who chose to stay sober, but don't judge us who occasionally decide not to.
 
 
I can't explain drugs/ alcohol  to someone who has never experienced it. You have no idea, and you will go on living ignorantly and hatin on us people who just enjoy life and having a good time.

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Regardless of what people say, alcohol isn't really going to make anyone go from being smart to stupid. I binge drink 3 nights a week and have a 3.5 at a good university. ( I'm 21 btw)

As far as marijuana, there is no evidence that it will slow your gains. Stop believing everything your ninth grade health teacher tells you and live a little.

Jebiah you took the words right out of my mouth. Why should I live my whole life worrying about how I'm going to feel when I am 40 or older? alcoholic Now I have no problem for those who chose to stay sober, but don't judge us who occasionally decide not to.


I can't explain drugs/ alcohol  to someone who has never experienced it. You have no idea, and you will go on living ignorantly and hatin on us people who just enjoy life and having a good time.

1) WHAT!! Look at some people that have been drinking for years.  Look at an alcoholic, i know many people that were great students, starting going to those kegs and i surprised if they knew what 1+1 is now.
2) You should listen to your ninth grade health teacher.  because weed has about 350 chemicals(not sure exactly) and thats not even when its being toked, than take somebody who laces it.  And dont give that bs like you know its laced before you smoke it.
3) I have no clue why you say"You may get to 40 in good shape, but look back and have no memorable experiences that make you laugh, smile, feel good, etc." BECAUSE why do you need to look back on those good memories and remember that you were drunk or high.
4)  I will keep on hating on the people that think having a fun time involves a joint or a 40 in their hand.

-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!

We don't hate you!

Why worry about how you treat your body today?

"Think of a sports car.  If you want it to move fast and live up to your expectations, you must give it the rightt fuel and follow the instructions in the owner's manual.  The car will then deliver top performance at cruising speed and accelerate with no effort.

The same concept applies to your body.  If you eat the right food, you'll perform the way your body was designed, and beyond.

Let's take the sports car analogy one step further.  If you step hard on the gas pedal every time you drive, never change the oil, and never wash or wax your shiny new car, af ter a few years it will look and run like a beater destined for the junkyard.

Now picture this:  You own a sports car, and you love it dearly.  You drive it sensibly, and occaisionally you cruise the freeway at 100 miles an hour.  Every 3,000 miles you change the oil, and you spend weekends washing and waxing this beauty.  Your cara can take its place with those classic Porshes and Ferraris that look like new and sound as if they just rolled off the factory line.

Naturally, one day your car will quite working; but it will have performed optimally all its life, with few mechanical problems.

Likewise, people who know how to take care of themselves--through a healthy diet, exercise and rest--will live longer, healthier and more productive lives.  It's not that complicated . . . " (J. de Mey w/ S.R. Hays, The Action Hero Body 2005 Rodale p. 35-6).

And the part about "lack of evidence" . . . for years, there was no "evidence" that there was global warming, either. . . Smoking, regardless of the medium, just f***s with your lungs, period.  And yeah, there is a sh*tload of evidence for that.

"If there's nothing else that's relevant, I'll be leaving now"

"Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground"

because weed has about 350 chemicals(not sure exactly)

Quoted for bull****. Marijuana is a plant that needs little to no chemical enhancement.

ORIGINAL: No Quarter

because weed has about 350 chemicals(not sure exactly)

Quoted for bull****. Marijuana is a plant that needs little to no chemical enhancement.

please im not talking about enhancement, sh!t is already in it.  ,But if you wanna talk about enhancement,  next time ask your dealer what he/she put in your sticky a$$ dro to make it that sticky.  O and ask he/she how many hours it takes his dealer to lace your lemon(popular in my town) haze.  Let alone the 250 carcinogens(cancer causng agents) that most weed plants have in them. 

-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!

MARIJUANA MYTHS 11. There are over a thousand chemicals in marijuana smoke Again, true but misleading. The 31 August 1990 issue of the magazine Science notes that of the over 800 volatile chemicals present in roasted COFFEE, only 21 have actually been tested on animals and 16 of these cause cancer in rodents. Yet, coffee remains legal and is generally considered fairly safe.





Also, my weed its grown by a very good friend of mine and I know he doesn't lace it with anything. Don't know what ****ed up weed you've been smoking.

Lets go through some of the chemicals shall we.
 
THC-chemical that gets you high.  Best friend to you isnt it? Well thats good cause it slows down the nerve functions in your brain.  I dont want that!  Its also messes up the celebral cortex which helps you think.  Damn lemme get some of that, its gotta be good for you!
 I love what weed does to the immune system:It makes it weaker, so when i get sick i stay sick longer because my body cant fight it off.  
Than we have delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol  which makes our minds work incorrectly.  SH!T PASS ME THAT QUICK!
And also its said that if you smoke more than 1 doobie a week you can become more sick, heart rate will increase, and youll have learning problems---All the things that i would love to have. Keep toking my brother! itll do you good!

-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!

Of course it messes up your mind and nervous system. That's what makes drugs enjoyable. It's not like I'm trying to write an award winning novel or bench my max while stoned out of my mind.

Where did I say anything about weed affecting your brain ? I said it will not adversely affect your gains. BigMike, you are clueless, and just continue spitting out things you hear everyday. You have no experience with anything, and most of your drug awareness probably comes from safety videos. You seem obsessed with marijuana being "laced with something", which rarely ever happens, especially when you know who you are dealing with. I'm not arguing about lung cancer here, just gains...
 
gzinkl I see where you're going with the sports car, but again I don't like this precautionary logic. I wouldn't floor it everywhere I went, but every now and then I would bust it wide open for the excitement. Why own a sports car otherwise ? Also global warming is still debated and in my opinion more political than scientific. The earth has statistically had cycles where the atmosphere was warmer or colder for periods of time.
 
 
" BECAUSE why do you need to look back on those good memories and remember that you were drunk or high. "
-bigmike
 
I don't understand this, but I'm assuming you chose to live a life with no good memories ? Good luck with that, sounds pretty fun.

 
 

" BECAUSE why do you need to look back on those good memories and remember that you were drunk or high. "
-bigmike

I don't understand this, but I'm assuming you chose to live a life with no good memories ? Good luck with that, sounds pretty fun.

 
No, i dont understand that, you make it seem that it's impossible to have fun/good memories without getting drunk or high, i've found the best memories are the ones where your sober and still having a good time