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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/5/2007 5:26:45 AM
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gzinkl
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I'm not sure everyone associates bulking with BEING fat, but there is definitely a risk of ADDING fat when trying to bulk. The balance of having just enough calories to (1) recover from workouts and (2) to add LBM can be tricky, especially if one is already prone to fat gain. If you're one of the calorie furnaces, then it's a lot harder to gain fat. But if you're not, it's easy to overdo it.
At least the old addage of "1 lb LBM comes with 1 lb of fat" is gone by the wayside. We know that doesn't have to be true.
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/5/2007 7:12:57 AM
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I'm not sure everyone associates bulking with BEING fat, but there is definitely a risk of ADDING fat when trying to bulk. The balance of having just enough calories to (1) recover from workouts and (2) to add LBM can be tricky, especially if one is already prone to fat gain. If you're one of the calorie furnaces, then it's a lot harder to gain fat. But if you're not, it's easy to overdo it.
At least the old addage of "1 lb LBM comes with 1 lb of fat" is gone by the wayside. We know that doesn't have to be true.
Yeah what I mean is people GET fat and then say, "oh, well I am bulking", kind of use it as a crutch.
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/5/2007 7:32:25 AM
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Precisely. It as G said, it is a recognized risk, but it is certainly not inevitable.
I consider myself to be on a permanent bulking plan, but I'm not shovelling pounds of food down my throat in a mad dash to put pounds on the scale. I don't care what anyone says, you cannot gain muscle any faster by cramming calories down your throat until you balloon up. I strongly believe people have a lean mass gaining speed limit, and that reckless bulking just creates unnecessary work for you later.
That said, even when you are packing away tons of junk and getting fat, I don't take that as a de facto indication that you have fully exploited your lean mass gaining speed limit. I doubt even a quarter of us ever do consistently.
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/5/2007 10:01:03 AM
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there is definately alot of science that goes along with any kind of weight training, nutrition included. Most people don't have the ability to correctly determine their body fat, or their caloric needs, so they kinda do the shotgun approach which is eat as much as possible to keep the body in an anabolic state and provide enough calories...while it's not pretty, it does work for those who are not big on counting calories
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/5/2007 10:10:43 AM
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there is definately alot of science that goes along with any kind of weight training, nutrition included. Most people don't have the ability to correctly determine their body fat, or their caloric needs, so they kinda do the shotgun approach which is eat as much as possible to keep the body in an anabolic state and provide enough calories...while it's not pretty, it does work for those who are not big on counting calories
yeah, but then they have to spend 3 months cutting, and in the process they will most likely lose some of their hard-earned muscle. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/5/2007 11:47:58 AM
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yeah, but then they have to spend 3 months cutting, and in the process they will most likely lose some of their hard-earned muscle. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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i thought most ppl do cut for 3 months, like bulk for most of the year then cut for about 12 weeks. but i guess i havent asked too many ppl about the length of their cutting cycle. how long do most ppl normally spend cutting?
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/5/2007 12:09:12 PM
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i thought most ppl do cut for 3 months, like bulk for most of the year then cut for about 12 weeks. but i guess i havent asked too many ppl about the length of their cutting cycle. how long do most ppl normally spend cutting?
Does it even matter that much? lol. And I just threw a random number out there that I though was appropriate.
Instead of cutting off all the fat they gained while bulking they could just keep their diets in check, do their cardio, eat in a caloric surplus, and they could build muscle year-round with little fat gain.
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/5/2007 2:17:49 PM
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lol i was just wondering
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/6/2007 12:01:18 PM
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Yes, keeping a good diet is a great idea, but cutting isn't nearly as bad as it sounds. Usually what I do is maintain 6 months out of the year, not really bulking, and not really cutting. 3 months of the year I'm bulking. I love to eat and lift big, and when I lift big I want to make sure I'm getting plenty of calories. If I don't get plenty of cals I usually fall into overtraining much faster. Anyways, the other 3 months out of the year I do some cutting. When I cut for 3 months my goal is to never lose more than 2 lbs a week.
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/6/2007 2:04:40 PM
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THIS SUCKS. i just tested my bf% today and what i use isnt all that accurate but i think its still precise compared to previous testings with the same method. anyway i've lost 4lb. of muscle in the last 9 weeks and only 2 lb. of fat!!!! i cant stand this
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/7/2007 8:04:23 PM
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Even if you just want to be 'fit' 13-16% bodyfat its not a good idea to go overboard with your nutrient intake. I was previously in that category and lost control of my eating. I've got more of a thick powerlifter type build but I need to get that under control, For the dude thats losing more muscle than fat.....maybe you are getting dehydrated with the caffeine. I've found it easiest to maintain my diet as well as to peform better when I take in much more water (and/or propel, sparkiling water, caffeine free diet soda) than I think I need.
On the other hand it is difficult to lose large amounts of fat and gain large amounts of muscle at the same time. So if you want to get bigger just add 100 calories or so, an extra glass of nonfat chocolate milk with dinner should be more than enough, unless, as everybody else has noted, you have a very high metabolism. I had a basic nutriton guide by Mike Mentzer that bascally calculated it at 18 calories per day more to add 10 lbs of muscle in a year, but I wonder if he just infinitely added the daily calories without stopping at the total calories of 10 pounds of muscle
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/7/2007 8:28:43 PM
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i think that to bulk u need to put some weight on ne way. So gaining a few lbs of "fat" really doesnt matter as long as u can lose it all. But i guess if u gain to much it can make a difference.
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/8/2007 7:28:34 AM
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I think Mike makes a good point, you are possibly dehydrating yourself. Most body fat tests are inherently inacurate, so take them with a grain of salt. The electronic one that measures your body fat based on how well you conduct electriciity is designed to measure the amount of water in your system, too little water or too much throws it off. The pinch method is of course in my opinion a retarded method for measuring body fat because your genetics tells where you will tend to store fat first and where your body will lose fat from first. The only method that comes close to accurate is to measure your density in water and then out of water, but this one also doesn't take into account how hydrated you are. If you are cutting weight to look good, your best guide is a digital camera and pictures every week. Since your goal is really to look good, you should be measuring your progress by how you look.
Drink more water. You are not likely going to be able to drink enough water to really cause a problem with your body (in excess of 3 gallons of water each day). Do you have a food log? If not you cannot seriously expect to make the most of your diet without one. If you can't see on paper what your calorie intake and output looks like from day to day, and from hour to hour, all you are doing is attempting to use the shotgun aproach to dieting. Nothing really wrong with doing that, if numbers and rigid structure isn't your thing, but you can't complain when you aren't getting the results you want. In my own opinion you should stay with your pre cutting diet. Don't change the calories in, change the calories out. Run more, do more strenuous exercises. Chop wood for a couple hours. If you are still losing too much weight, then you can easilly cut out some extra exercises, than slowly trying to add such and such amount of food. Make sure to stimulate your metabolism by eating more meals but keeping the total daily caloric intake the same. This will stimulate your metabolism, and help keep you in an anabolic state which promotes muscle retention and fat loss.
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RE: Why does everyone think that while "bulking&qu... - 1/8/2007 8:48:11 AM
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Endos will gain fat during bulk
Mesos will possibly gain fat, but very minimal
ectos can gain fat but it requires extreme carb intake.
During my 5 month bulking period i put on around 0.3-0.7% of BF and went from 149lbs to 166lbs.
Taking away 3lbs for food and water, thats overally 11lbs LBM gain.
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