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Which PH should i use.
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Which PH should i use. - 10/18/2004 5:40:12 PM
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DaBeast77
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What ph should i take? Im thinking eiter 1-AD or Methyl 1-Test would probably be best. Are there any better ones with fewer side effects? I want to use the one that gives the best gains. Im also going to be taking creatine if that matters.
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/19/2004 5:34:37 AM
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nickflnj
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I am by no means an expert. I'm just learning about this stuff as well. What I've heard is that M1T is some serious **** and can be very hard on your liver, and cause some definite side effects. Although it probably will give you better gains than 1-AD. From what I've heard, M1T is not for beginners to the PH world. If you are just starting out, I'd go with 1-AD which is probably what I'm gonna do. I might stack it with 4-AD also.
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/19/2004 3:39:50 PM
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DaBeast77
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yeah thats what ive heard, will 4-ad help much more?
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/19/2004 3:59:58 PM
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DaBeast77
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Both of these are 4-ad right?
ANDRODIOL SELECT 300 & 4-DIOL 250
Which is better?
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/19/2004 4:15:57 PM
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DaBeast77
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So im going to need 3 bottles of 1-AD 60 CAPS, 1 bottle of 6-OXO 60 CAPS (will this effectivly prevent gyno, or should i get something else?), and 1 bottle of 4-DIOL 250 60 CAPS (maybe, it depends on what you say about it.). Should this be enough? Will the 4-ad help? If i don't get the 4-ad will i still see large gains?
Would it be alright to take the 6-OXO the last 20 days of my 36 day cycle (3 pills a day)? Im trying to figure out if i need to buy more than one bottle.
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/20/2004 9:40:04 AM
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Magik23
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Take the 60X0 after your PH cycle ...
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/20/2004 2:32:53 PM
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DaBeast77
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Would 1-ad add alot of size, or just strength? By taking 4-ad with it would i get bigger (size not strength)?
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/21/2004 5:17:30 AM
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Magik23
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You will add both, 4-AD help to reduce the side effects of 1-AD and add somme mass, muscle + a bit of Water Retention ...
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/21/2004 2:05:06 PM
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DaBeast77
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Will 1-AD affect my development in any way? Im 16 and someone told my mom is scared that it will make my bones and muscles develop in the wrong way. If it matters, im 5'11 180 lbs 16% BF. I really want to take 1-AD (probably with 4-AD), so i need to prove to my mom that this isnt true.
I need to ask about 6-OXO too, some people say to take it after the PH cycle and some people say during. Should i take it after unless i start developing gyno? Or should i take it the last 20 days of the cycle?
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/22/2004 5:42:26 AM
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Finally!! The voice of reason. Listen, I'm 32 and I'm getting off the M-1T crap. It really does mess you up and only the negative side effects are permanent. Fix your diet, get some rest, stop overtraining. You have enough testosterone coursing through your veins to raise a three ring circus in your shorts every time the wind blows. Ever wonder why you are so impatient? Everybody your age is because you have this machojuice freaking you out. Get a proven workout routine going and do it because you want that type of lifestyle. Doing it strictly to get big is the wrong reason and you will get small just as quickly after coming off the juice for good. Do you want to take PHs forever? Imagine your grandfather taking M-1T because he's been getting hardcore for 65 years. Believe it or not, someday you will reach an age to contemplate the decisions you make now. You have a dick and two balls between your legs for a good reason, not just for ornamentation. Put them to work instead of shortcutting and dissing them. You ignore them now and when a significant other wants to get busy they will ignore you, and not give a **** how hot she is.
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/22/2004 6:12:28 AM
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Yea I gotta tell ya when I was 17-18 is when I started working out for the 1st time. I did everything to the book with only creatine as my crutch and I put on 30 lbs of lean mass in just over 3 months, and over 100lbs on my bench, oh and I'm not what you would call an easy gainer.
If you do it right at your age you don't need pro hormones, TRUST ME. Use regular supplements for now and when you get older and think you're not getting the right results then maybe look into prohormones. After age 23 it miht start benefitting you. You have so many hormones in your body right now it's crazy, take full advantage of that not only is it much safer but it's free. The key is to lift, eat good food and a lot of it, and rest to let the muscles recover. If you do that right you pretty much are a living steroid.
Just do me a favor. Once you get heavy into lifting don't stop. I stopped and lost everything. 6 years later I'm trying again and I have to tell you it sucks. I was spoiled by having those hormones in my body. Just keep at it build your base young and keep it.
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/22/2004 6:59:23 AM
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nickflnj
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Yeah man, I agree with all these guys, your only 16....wait a while before you consider it. I'm 24 and still hesitant about taking a beginner stack. Nevermind M1T....
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/28/2004 1:42:08 PM
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Iron Stace
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16 Is to young for any of that stuff youll be beatin so bad way to much test the side effects suck to but its a decison to make I would say between 18-20 to get serious or get out not just to get big thats stupid you need a goal man a rolemodel. Like I look up to the roid monkeys in flex and hope someday thats me.
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/28/2004 7:02:48 PM
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DaBeast77
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Iron Stace
16 Is to young for any of that stuff youll be beatin so bad way to much test the side effects suck to but its a decison to make I would say between 18-20 to get serious or get out not just to get big thats stupid you need a goal man a rolemodel. Like I look up to the roid monkeys in flex and hope someday thats me.
Whats wrong with wanting to get bigger/stronger? Isn't that why the rest of you workout? If I take 1-ad stacked with 4-ad for a month I shouldn't see any bad side effects should i? Im bigger than a lot of men, and my doctor says i probably wont grow anymore (5'11") so PH's shouldnt do anything terrible to me, right? The only thing im worried about is gyno. Should I get Gyno from taking 2 bottles of 1-ad, 1 of 4-ad, and 1 of 6-oxo? To prevent gyno should i take the 6-oxo before or after the cycle? From what i hear 1-ad w/ 4-ad is the "safest" PH i could take. Is this true?
Im always going to workout, its been part of my life everyday (except some weekends, just cardio) for almost 2 years now. Im not someone who has just stepped into a gym and wants to get big.
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/28/2004 8:32:22 PM
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Whats wrong with wanting to get bigger/stronger?
Ah. Well nothing. But it is how you do it.
You can be young and bust ass, take pro-hormones, get huge, push way past your ability, do forced reps and go for squats at 405 lbs....
And then at 32 you can be pretty much on the cardio machines.
Or you can workout hard, know your limits, get a solid diet, raise the intensity and workout smart and be 63 and as strong as most of the 18 year olds that wander into my gym.
Here's the deal on pro-hormones at 16. It won't do you any good. And the gains you are going to get from them? Will they stay? Um.. not all of them no. Which means you will now have to continue to use pro-hormones to keep the 18" arms. Because fact is, you've raised your testosterone way way above your body's natural ability. And you have and will take on risks. You can mitigate them all you like with 6oxo and whatever, but that just means in a nutshell the side-effects are lessened. Maybe not noticeable. That doesn't mean you got away totally 100% risk free with no potential for any side effects.
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[so PH's shouldn't do anything terrible to me, right?
In terms of your growth? I'd agree. Height-wise that is. But your body isn't fully developed yet. Now you are introducing a chemical that boots your testosterone to supra-psychological levels at a young age. You and I have no idea what that will mean in the long run. At 16 ya don't care. At 32 you will.
I'm 32 and doing heavier squats then most of the "old" timer bigger guys. #1 reason why? Because they all said they just kept going and going, pushing harder and harder, until they were squatting 405+. Then the big injury. And now they have back issues.
My point?
Workout smart bro. There is no way at 16, you have peaked in terms of diet and intensity to the point of needing a supplement that is not risk free.
Here's something else to consider.
Supplements sell because everybody wants it *NOW*
Weight loss pills and diets are always going to be big sellers because nobody wants to workout they want it *NOW*
You are 16. You want 21" guns, and a 245 lbs of solid mass *NOW* If I told you to workout hard for the next 10 years to get there you'd say "F U"
Supplements only constitute about 2% of your gains. Until you are about 25, tight diet, solid routine, should you even consider needing that 2%. My bet is, you will end up taking whatever and it really won't do much for you.
What's your routine now? I bet if you looked at Navigator's journal or mine, you'd find that we have found a program that isn't mainstream yet, it's $67 for the book and stuff and it's made better gains in 6 weeks on most guys then any bottle of 1-AD ever has.
As far as the side effects. Who knows what you will see. Keep learning and such but think about it. At 16, do you really need the hassle? I bet you can do this without such supplements. I'm willing to bet that if you took the same focus you have on wanting this supplement into the gym, you would put on about 10 lbs of muscle a year. And guess what. Since you didn't boost the test chemically, you get to keep that muscle and add to it next year.
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/29/2004 6:54:47 AM
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Naviator
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You probably think we are just a couple of old know-it-alls playing it safe. We were exactly where you are when we were in high school. Some things never change and this is one of them. I wanted to get big fast and that meant working out every day on the same body part. The more you work out, the faster you get big, right? Just imagine, for once, that life doesn't end after high school or college. There will still be women that like to have sex. You will still be capable of lifting weights and increasing your mass. Don't blow your load all at once right now. Your body has the ability to get to a certain size and then it reaches an equilibrium where it is trying to tear itself down as fast as it builds itself up. If you do it with PHs, you will notice an interesting phenomenon. Someday you have to come off them. You will get a busy job, you might not be able to pay for them, your woman might make you quit (don't laugh, it happens), or they just become unavailable. Now you lose all of that, I **** you not. You now look like Eminem. You show someone a picture of what you used to look like and you get one of two responses. "Bullshit, that's not you, you Photoshopped that." Or, my personal favorite, "What happened?" I have personnally witnessed this over and over. Now, if you want to make your body happy and, consequently, yourself:
1. Use some of that research energy to look through the nutrition and routine posts on this site. You will probably find that you are doing things wrong.
2. Learn from other's mistakes. You do not have time to learn them all yourself.
3. Patience. Go enjoy yourself while the gains are happening. Stop hopping on the scale three times a day and looking at the mirror every time you walk by. Get a good night's sleep. Learn how to pick up women. Hint: It has surprisingly little to do with how big you are. Learn the "P" word.
4. Stop caring what others think about you. Stop caring what others think about you. Stop caring what others think about you.
5. Take some of that money you were going to spend on PHs and supplements and learn some Brazilian Ju Jitsu and Thai Boxing. You'll thank me later.
The difference here, young brother, is that mda and I are not trying to sell you anything. We have no vested interest in making you unfuck your priorities. We are simply doing our good deed for the day of providing mentorship that we didn't have when we were in your position. You can tell us to go lick a pig's crack and the only person you will be hurting is yourself. Do yourself a favor and take this advice on board.
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 10/29/2004 4:26:52 PM
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DaBeast77
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Im about to use the bulking diet on this site, but im going to modify it a little. Does it look good?
http://massivemuscle.net/diet.htm
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RE: Which PH should i use. - 11/1/2004 6:03:29 AM
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Naviator
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I would shy from the meat and dairy fats and go for vegetable fats(except soy!!). They will get your testosterone factory working. You probably want to tone down the protein a little because you can't digest more than 30-40g every 3-4 hours. Wouldn't want expensive dookie, now, would we? You can take quite a bit more after a workout. Don't be afraid of carbs because that is your muscle fuel. Don't forget about vitamins and minerals as well. Get your food from natural sources as much as possible. A can of tuna is perfect with some canola or safflower mayonnaise. After a workout you can eat a can of chicken breast because it contains about 45g instead of 30g protein. Meat and dairy are great sources of protein, and you will get quite a few carbs from the dairy, too. Different guys use different formulas for how much protein they take in, but the bottom line is you need to find your body fat % so you can know what your lean mass is. I take in 1.14g of protein per pound of lean body mass because of the program I'm on right now. You can check it out in the online journal section. I left a diet there, too.
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