Where to go from intermediate routines??

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Where to go from intermediate routines?? - Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:23 PM ( #1 )
So almost all strength/power routines that ive seen are alterations of a 5x5 routine. This is understandable since it is shown to greatly improve strength. However, where do you go when your improvements stall on these routines...especially the "non-linear" routines like the texas-method etc. The point of the texas method is that you have reached a point were linear progression is no longer possible, hence the start of undulating programs like the texas method. But where do you go when your progress stalls here?
 
When stalling on your strength/power routine convential wisdom would suggest you simply follow the designated periodization cycle and just jump back into hypertrophy, endurance, maintenance phase etc. which is doable. However, I was just wondering what you all out there had in terms of advanced strength/power routines, specifically those that deviate from the normal 5x5 routines. Or do you find that most strength routines stay true to the 5x5 template and when they do deviate from it they simply up the sets and drop the reps?
 
Im interested to see what "advanced" routines you have out there or how power routines are supposed to evolve as you adapt to them.
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Re:Where to go from intermediate routines?? - Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:28 PM ( #2 )
I don't really buy the periodization.  Go for micro cycles instead, that way your never weak in any one area.  Westside has some rock solid principles to keep you progressing without ever stalling.
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Re:Where to go from intermediate routines?? - Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:35 PM ( #3 )
Periodization is essentially made up of microcycles...but thats another topic. Whats westside? Im just interested in seeing what people have as far as "advanced" powerlifting/strength routines.
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Re:Where to go from intermediate routines?? - Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:14 PM ( #4 )
im interested in this too as i no longer seem to progress and my constant attempts to increase weight for periodization just results in screwed up workouts.
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Re:Where to go from intermediate routines?? - Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:27 AM ( #5 )
It doesnt work so well going from one random routine to the next because you may not be changing the overall work done and performance is unchanged. If the work is not increased then fitness doesnt go anywhere.
The next step is better planning. An annual plan is divided into phases which cater for a particular component of fitness and these are arranged in an order so that the necessary adaptations are made at the appropriate times. A powerlifter's main goal is maximum strength training. This comes at the end of the year or closer to a meet so the adaptations are most present. I think Seo or Chalky wrote up Westside a little while back. Other examples of maximim and dynamic effort training -
http://www.elitefts.com...ced_squat_cycle_paul.htm
http://www.chicagopower...m/SinglesCycle-12wks.xls
http://www.chicagopower...om/SinglesCycle-8wks.xls

The earlier phases are usually hypertrohy with high volume training. The only high volumes routines I know of are the 5x5, Russian squat program, Sheiko, Smolov.

http://www.elitefts.com/sheiko/
http://www.ontariostron...ing/smolovsquatcycle.htm
http://www.joeskopec.com/five.html

Here is a good looking 80 day program http://www.joeskopec.com/Hatfield.xls



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Re:Where to go from intermediate routines?? - Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:32 AM ( #6 )
Westside is completely different than the volume training tapering into high intensity.  With westside you are supposed to be ready for a competition at pretty much any point.  I could probably write up a westside template that would be much easier to understand than what others could write because some info on sites is a little outdates, but I don't have time right at this moment, here are a couple links that could get you going though.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/weight-training-weight-lifting/westside-barbell-basic-template-469668.html
http://www.isu.edu/~andesean/SIMSEM.htm
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Re:Where to go from intermediate routines?? - Monday, August 03, 2009 11:03 PM ( #7 )
spenny:

I like the russian routine very much (the ontario link) it is very interesting to say the least and appears to be the next step above the texas method or other intermediate routines i was looking for. Do you by any chance have any personal experience with this routine? know anything about it that wasnt on the page?? Thanks again.
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Re:Where to go from intermediate routines?? - Monday, August 03, 2009 11:14 PM ( #8 )
also, can that routine i mentioned above be combined with other training? its alot so im not sure if the body could handle it. but i dont want to sacrafice other body parts.
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Re:Where to go from intermediate routines?? - Monday, August 03, 2009 11:23 PM ( #9 )
spenny:

also whats the deal with the last link (the excel spreadsheet) and the 120% x3 overload in bold? Is that a set of negatives at the end? I cannot determine what those bold markings under the daily workouts mean. thanks. sorry for so many questions.
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Re:Where to go from intermediate routines?? - Friday, August 07, 2009 12:37 AM ( #10 )
Remember that doing as advanced routine doesn't necessarily mean it will take you to advanced levels. If you're not fit enough to deal with the volume you will tire yourself out quickly, be rubbish at work/school, maybe get ill after a few weeks and have made little progress. Workouts with that much volume are not that fun either, you're just looking forward to the end of each workout.

It may even be possible for you to take Texas method or other ones further. But no harm in giving Smolov a try. If it kicks your butt just stop. I haven't done it. You wouldn't want to do anything extra which is not included in the program. Look on other forums where people have made journals of their progress with it. You could also write to the authors for more help with any questions. Most of those will answer. 






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