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When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/3/2004 2:44:57 PM
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Marc David
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When do you go beyond the basics?
There’s a hundred other supplements you can try for various performance and enhancement boosts. Some examples are creatine, nitric oxide supplements, testosterone boosts, estrogen blockers and so many more. But when do you go beyond just the basics of a good diet and a few simple supplements for overall health?
Once you’ve mastered the basics of this book, it’s time to investigate that 3% performance boost that many other supplements can give you. If you do not have a “clean†diet and you are not training to your maximum, the taking such supplements like prohormones is not a great idea. If you’ve not mastered the 8 nutritional fundamentals, then taking some type of fat loss pill or fat loss gel isn’t going to provide very much. So the question of when do you go beyond the basics isn't that difficult after all.
When you’ve mastered the basics and concepts found in this guide and nothing here is new or unknown to you, then it’s time to investigate other options to enhance your performance even further.
*Basis are defined as protein, fish oil, joint support and a multi-vitamin
*Assumes 97% of performance is based on diet and training. The other 3% can come from supplements. If you are only at 40% of your optimal diet, then it seems pointless to get a small boost from a powder when you can get a huge boost from refining and making your diet and training optimal for you.
**Source - from an up-coming e-book**
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/3/2004 7:34:21 PM
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Amen to that. With inadequate nutrition, your just spinning your own wheels.
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/4/2004 12:31:36 PM
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i did a big write up on something like this on another board last week.
but my angle was geared towards all the "science" thats available nowadays. the basics can sustain ppl for years.
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/4/2004 6:08:55 PM
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What about the person who started with Creatine and stuff like that right out of the gate when they just started?
Well if they don't have the diet down and the training down tight, they might figure that creatine does nothing. When in fact it does but the other things were messed up so they got little to no effect. Or they didn't research it and they were one of the 30% that doesn't respond to just create monohydrate. So they figure that creatine is bunk.. when in fact it just didn't work for them.
Or they'll take 20g a day.. for a loading phase and keep on going. And have stomach issues and figure creatine is BAD.
By sticking with the basics, you get your diet right, your training right and you take a basic supplement package. Once you progress, find forums like this, and read more, you will be making more informed choices. And then certain supplements will really work best for you when everything else is in line.
I took creatine a lot sooner then I should have.. no bad side effects. But it would have done a lot more for me had I been doing heavy basics and working out harder and maybe had my diet better then 30% tuned.
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/8/2004 7:34:19 AM
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Here are my lists, in no particular order:
Basics
Multi
Whey Protein
Fish Oil
Sesamin (for endo and mesomorphs)
The Next Step
Creatine
MRPs
The LeptiGens
Casien Protein
Nutrient Partitioners
Fatburners
I gotta have it all
BCAAs
Pre-Workout Stims
Pre and During workout Drinks
Androgens
Topical Fatloss Products
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/8/2004 10:03:20 PM
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Ok so I have been using : Multi, Whey Protein, Creatine (cycling) and Fish Oil for about 6 months. I used Casein for a few and I just ordered some more. However, my body fat is around 14-15 according to accu-measure, and that is huge for me. I want to continue bulking until about April 30th, what supplements would you reccomend?
These are TP's Recs... which are the most important?
The Next Step
Creatine
MRPs
The LeptiGens
Casien Protein
Nutrient Partitioners
Fatburners
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/9/2004 6:21:54 AM
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For a clean bulk, LeptiGen Massâ„¢ will be unparalleled.
Creatine is a great option for most. And anyone can benefit from a good, clean, MRP.
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/9/2004 11:26:24 AM
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Thanks for the replies...
I would like to give Leptigen mass a try, however money is always a problem. Therefore how long should I use it for? Obviously this is going to be determined by the results I wish to obtain...and people have not used it so I guess I will just do this:
...I am bulking until April 30th, I can order 3 bottles of Leptigen mass for $70 bucks, and it should last about a month. I am thinking I will order this stuff and use it from April 1st to April 30th, when I will then use some absolved if needed. Supplements are costly...
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/9/2004 11:30:57 AM
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wow, just checking prices on other leptigen products on other sites... and I may wait a few weeks to order leptigen mass, at least in hope that another "company" will carry the product at half price. TP any idea how long that may take?
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/9/2004 11:32:33 AM
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A month should be plenty of time to notice increased partitioning and better results with LG MassÂâ„¢.
Remember, everything bought from our site has a 100% money back guarantee.
Then you should all pester Kris to pick up this stuff, which should be available to retailers in 2-3 weeks.
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/9/2004 11:35:18 AM
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I am not sure what you are referring too.
It is unlikely you will ever see this price anywhere. These are discounted prices off the MSRP -- once they are released to retailers (2-3 weeks when final labels are ready), they will go up to full MSRP on our site, and I am sure discounters will have them available below that, but likely not below the current price.
I am pretty sure shipping right now is free on these products.
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/9/2004 2:56:58 PM
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Sounds good then, I will order and give it a try.
As for the prices, I was referring to leptigen Y found on Avant for around 45 dollars, but offered at 1fast400 for 21 dollars. Both are 4 oz bottles, and both Avant products... the same goes for absolved and lipdoerm ultra.
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/9/2004 3:13:08 PM
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Yeah, discounters often sell it below the MSRP. But 1fast has already announced something like a $5 increase on all of those very shortly. (Just an FYI).
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/9/2004 4:58:49 PM
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TP, talk to me a bit about this sesamin you mentioned. A quick google search revealed that it's a sesame lignan that aids in fat metabolism, but outside of Avant (via the Lipoderm line) I can't find even one place that sells the stuff (well, a couple of links show up in google, but there's nothing at the other end of the link...), which seems a bit odd for a "basic" supplement.
Also, what are the major differences between Lipoderm-ODB and Ultra? Other than the extra contents in ODB that is...
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/10/2004 7:12:17 AM
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ODB is a tad more potent (lypolytic) than Ultra, but due to the added ingredients some experience staining of light colored clothes when sweating. So if the extra 5-10% is worth it, go for it. If not, Ultra is still uber-potent.
I suppose it was a little unfair for me to call sesamin "basic". But indeed it is, or should be. Have a gander over at pubmed and you will see the many studies showing how potent this stuff is in terms of lypolysis as well as blunting fat gain when eating mass calories.
It has a strong impact on promoting a lean phenotype, much like fish oil dose -- indeed, it is 10X more potent than fish oil in this regard. There are other benefits of fish oil, so while sesamin's use does not eliminate the need for fish oil, it will reduce your daily dosage.
So we are talking about an oil that is superior to hemp, flax and even fish oil for body composition purposes.
So what's the catch? It is damn near impossible to source. While we have been looking for a few years, the only way of getting it was paying through the nose, making what should be a basic supplement unaffordable. Though Avant could use it in small doses for targeted fat loss.
However, we just found a very cost-effective source and it will be available this week under the trade name SesaThinâ„¢. Initially, we will be selling just the oil in a bottle (like you find flax) to keep the cost down, and so you can add it to your shakes, salads, use it for cooking, etc.
It will be available this week, and indeed, we'll have an extensive write-up on this potent ingredients benefits for fat loss, bodycomposition, and general health.
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RE: When do you go beyond the basics? - 3/10/2004 5:19:46 PM
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Excellent. Thanks for the info.
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