What is an ' ECA stack' ?
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What is an ' ECA stack' ? - Friday, June 20, 2003 1:30 PM
What is an ' ECA stack' ? Heard the term, but not entirely clear on what it contains and why anybody would take it.

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RE: What is an ' ECA stack' ? - Friday, June 20, 2003 2:12 PM
Ephedrine, caffiene, asprin.

More later - busy.
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RE: What is an ' ECA stack' ? - Friday, June 20, 2003 2:25 PM
I' ll take a shot at this..

A common BB supplement stack that increases the metabolism and aids in fat loss.

Somebody else will probably elaborate in greater detail but I think this sums it up.
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RE: What is an ' ECA stack' ? - Friday, June 20, 2003 4:35 PM
The stack is a cutting aid, although the asprin is expendable, unless you' re really, really fat if i remember correctly (Something to do with NSAIDS and some other stuff i couldn' t be arsed to research).

I think a lot of companies still include the asprin though. Purely because they don' t research the science themselves and just follow suit of other companies.

Anyhoo, EC is pretty standard these days - occasionally with other additions (see below).

E = ephedrine.

It elevates adrenalin/noradrenalin release, which stimulates the adrenoreceptors. At normal levels, these hormones tend to stimulate more alpha receptors (specifically alpha-2, a signal for fat storing and anti-lipolysis etc...), but at ephedrine-induced levels, they tend to stimulate more beta receptors (specifically beta-2, a signal for fat mobilisation and lipolysis, but also effects beta-3 to a some extent - which is less of an issue since humans have so little beta-3 receptors anyway).

Because ephedrine stimulates adrenalin/noradrenalin release, it excites the sympathetic nervous system, which is what gives you that " buzz" and mental clarity - a potent pre-workout stimulant. So Ephedrine can be used in this regard. However, the body becomes acustomed to the " buzz" and so if you want to use ephedrine as a pre-workout boost, you should use sparingly or cycle on and off regularly.

The thermogenic effect has been shown to get stronger with prolonged use, so if you' re using it as a cuting aid, then there' s no real need to cycle off. If you' re going to use it so often, however, using tyrosine simultaneously wouldn' t be a bad idea, since tyrosine is a precursor for adrenalin/noradrenalin and frequent stimulation may deplete your reserves.

The caffiene is basically a fat mobiliser and helps get the fatty acids out of the adipocytes and circulating in the blood stream for the muscles to take up to oxidise. Careful not to over do this one though, cause it causes cellular dehydration, which can negatively impact RMR. Also, a dehydrated cell certainly isn' t an anabolic cell. Potentially catabolic infact.

If your bodytype sways more towards the endomorphic region, it may be best to either restrict caffiene intake or curb it altogether. Ephedrine has a slight diuretic effect, but comparatively caffiene is more potent in this regard, and ephedrine yields more favourable effect on the adrenoreceptors. The minimal diuretic effect of ephedrine is more than made up for because of this reason.

There are various other compounds to can still use in comjunction with ephedrine (and caffiene if it works well for you). Yohimbine (the active alkaloid of yohimbe - or at least one of the known active alkaloids of yohimbe) has become really popular lately - orally and transdermally. Careful combining oral yohimbine with ephedrine, however. Both increase heart rate and blood pressure. definately build up doses to see how the mix effects you. Also, avoid using yohimbine with carb meals, since any effect it may have will be overshadowed by insulin. Insulin wins pretty much any fight.

Yohimbine works by antagonising the alpha-2 receptor mentioned above. The prevents adrenalin/noradrenalin from binding, so fat storage and anti-lipolysis doesn' t get " switched on" . On the contrary - it can induce fat mobilisation. Yohimbine is also small enough to pass through the skin quite easily (providied you' re using the right carrier and transport mechanism *cough* lipoderm-y *cough*) so can be used for targeted delivery - i.e. that infamous spot reduction.

It' s also an anti-diuretic, so can cause water retention. Quite significant water retention in some people.

EGCG, a catechin like that found in green tea are also a handy addition - as is Forskolin.

EGCG inhibits COMT.

COMT is one of the things that metabolises the adrenalin/noradrenalin not taken back into the synaptic nerves (although palys a lesser role compared to MAO [or MAO-A if we' re being more specific]).

So EGCG basically helps prolong the life of NE in the synaptic cleft.

I' ve also read a little about EGCG inhibiting fatty acid synthase.
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RE: What is an ' ECA stack' ? - Friday, June 20, 2003 5:31 PM
Got this from another board. This dude said this in a way i never could:

" Basically, you have ephedrine stimuliating catecholamine release- catecholamines act through an andenylate cyclase-cAMP mediated secondary messenger system. Phosphodiesterase inhibits the action of cAMP by converting it to 5' AMP. Caffeine prevents phosphodiesterase activity. Keeping cAMP elevated has the effect of stimulating numerous lipolytic pathways, including stimulation of HSL (and thus, lipolysis). Caffeine can also stimulate calcium release, which can further enhance catecholamine release, as well as gluconeogenisis and glycogenolysis."
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RE: What is an ' ECA stack' ? - Friday, June 20, 2003 9:21 PM

This dude said this in a way i never could:


<cough> Yeah that was me.. You like that? <cough>

Okay.. okay.. I wish it was. But just wanted to say.. phew.. nice info.
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RE: What is an ' ECA stack' ? - Friday, June 20, 2003 9:28 PM
Thanks Robboe!

Please tell me you' ll be around more often? Dunno where you got the info but it was good. Wish more forums would follow your lead.

Peace
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RE: What is an ' ECA stack' ? - Saturday, June 21, 2003 6:27 AM

ORIGINAL: Robboe

Got this from another board. This dude said this in a way i never could:

" Basically, you have ephedrine stimuliating catecholamine release- catecholamines act through an andenylate cyclase-cAMP mediated secondary messenger system. Phosphodiesterase inhibits the action of cAMP by converting it to 5' AMP. Caffeine prevents phosphodiesterase activity. Keeping cAMP elevated has the effect of stimulating numerous lipolytic pathways, including stimulation of HSL (and thus, lipolysis). Caffeine can also stimulate calcium release, which can further enhance catecholamine release, as well as gluconeogenisis and glycogenolysis."


I should have cleared this up for anyone unsure, but the catecholamines are adrenalin and noradrenalin, and HSL stands for hormone sensitive lipase, and it required for lipolysis to take place.

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