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What I learned at Vitamin World - 1/30/2005 3:53:37 PM
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Germanp0ornstar
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I went to vitamin world today to check some stuff out and see prices and got into a conversation with one of the guys who works there. He was a pretty big guy, so I figured hwe knew what he was talking about. I was going there for creatine and I wanted more info on the T-Bomb stuff. He was almost mad when I asked about the T-bomb stuff b/c he thought I was just coming of a roid cycle, which I laughed at b/c I'm no where near that or that big to think it. He told me that first off, it will mess you up alot, second it if mostly for people who are coming off roids and want to keep there mass that they got up. He also said that creatine was basically a waist because ur body get used to it and you have to cycle it and stuff like that. He swears by the Nitro tech and cell tech or whatever you exactly stack it with. We started talking about my goals, I want to drop 15 pounds and then bulk up. His advice to drop the 15 with alot of cardio then bulk up, oppisite of what I hear here. He also said the reason I have had alot of strengh increases and not enough size increase is b/c of the 1 week workout per muscle group. He suggested doing muscle groups 2 times a week, 6 days a week. Basically something like... 1-Arms 2-Shoulders/legs 3- Chest/back. First time of the week, do mostly free weights to hit the stablizers and second time use isolation machines and workout to hit the muscle. I just thought that I would see what you guys thought of this... I think I might try this to see if I get any glamour improvements, since with max-out I have made alot of strenght imporvements but still am around the same size or so.
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RE: What I learned at Vitamin World - 1/30/2005 4:03:21 PM
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andy
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max-OT is for mainly strength little size. Try doing 8x3 and so on also what that guy said I agree with all he said. But not on the 1 day a week will give you no size and 2 will. Its the reps/sets you do that depends on that. Also are you eating right to get bigger ???
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RE: What I learned at Vitamin World - 1/30/2005 4:32:16 PM
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cpl
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Max OT's not for size? I gained twenty pounds in six months on that program, huge size difference. The problem with talking to a lot of different people about your program is that almost everyone has a different opinion on what you should do- And the problem with that is, everyone's different. If you're going to try any program, you have to give it at least four months or so before you can tell whether it works for you or not.
Max OT, for example- We get a lot of people here who try it for a week or two, and notice what they think is their strength increasing- In reality, they're just learning to use the muscle they already have. Then they get frustrated because they don't see any size gains- It takes time, with any program, for your body to adjust and adapt to it to the point that the results are visibly noticeable. No matter what program you try, you have to be patient- Nothing's going to give you overnight results.
A lot of people prefer working muscles twice a week over one, but again, that's a matter of personal preference- What works for you works for you, end of story. I don't know where this guy's coming from with his opinion on creatine, though- A lot of big guys swear by it.
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RE: What I learned at Vitamin World - 1/30/2005 5:00:08 PM
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Germanp0ornstar
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I've been doing the max out since October and I'm not sure exactly how much weight change happened, I stayed about the same weight, lost maybe 10 pounds but went down a pants size or more and went up a shirt size. My back and chest filled out alot, but I didn't bulk up huge by any means. As for strength my Bicep curl I started out doing 20 pound and now I'm going 85 pounds, so I did get alot of size in my arms.
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RE: What I learned at Vitamin World - 1/30/2005 5:12:16 PM
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Consider this point as well. If he was a pretty big guy and he's taken anabolics recently, it would be a waste of time for him to just workout a body part 1x a week like the rest of us. Don't take it as I'm accusing somebody I've never seen, over the Internet of taking roids. It's just that the recovery time when taking that product is significantly less. Significantly!
Somebody else asked the same question a long time ago. If you want, go ahead and workout every body part more then once a week. As you do a few more sets here and there, and increase the weight, you'll eventually notice that you aren't recovering and in fact, might be getting smaller.
It's a simple fact of overtraining. There's no magic rule that says you can't workout arms twice a week for 8 weeks to blast them. But there is a rule that says if you continue to overtrain (that will vary from person to person) that you will get smaller, strength loss, immune system compromise, tired, loss of appetite and the rest.
Rather then working out a body part more then once a week, why not up the intensity with something along the lines of supersetting? Get more done in less time.
Think about Max-OT for a minute. Tell me that you can work legs twice in a week with that intensity and the same weight?
So right there you know your workouts cannot be with heavy weight in the 4-6 rep range. Now it's more reps and lighter weight. Which is what I've been faced with during all this supersetting stuff.
6 days a week is also a lot bro. You better be eating like a horse and sleeping like an out of work teenager with mom and dad's wallet. You will need it with 6 days of weights.
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First time of the week, do mostly free weights to hit the stabilizers and second time use isolation machines and workout to hit the muscle.
While I like a combination of free weights and machines to do just that, there's really no point in breaking it up over a period of 2 days. So squats are mostly stabilizers but leg press is more isolation? In a sense yes, but I really don't see a need to split out stabilizers one day and isolation the next. It's still the same muscle twice. Quads get hit on squat day (along with isolation) and then quads get hit again on leg day with leg press. Overtraining?
I'd agree with cycling creatine. In fact, I cycle everything except protein, fish oil and multi-vitamins.
Drop 15 with a lot of cardio? Not just that simple. You might want to drop 15 but you better make sure that 15 is fat and not muscle. Then bulk up. Sure. I agree. But in the cutting phase, you will want to preserve as much muscle as possible. Not point in just "dropping 15 lbs of weight" if half of that is the muscle you busted ass to get.
There's somethings I agree with. There's some I don't. I think as a natural athlete, you'll find that working out really hard, and I mean hard dude. You will NOT be doing a body part more then once a week. It's just not necessary.
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RE: What I learned at Vitamin World - 1/30/2005 5:38:31 PM
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Germanp0ornstar
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Thats why I posted here b/c I thought that some made sense. I know that dropping 15 pounds is not as easy as jumping on the treadmill for an hour a day for 3 weeks will all of a sudden be there. I guess my problem is probally genes, I'm not ment to have big arms. I'm going to try his idea for 3 weeks, basically because I know if I drop weight I will look bigger. I have been on the nutrition part and I beleive I have my diet staight to loose some weight, planning one 1 to 2 pounds a week. I will defenately not go as hard as I do maxing out because that would be impossible, but I will keep track to let you know how it goes. If it fails then it fails and I can go back to Max and hopefully nothing lost but a few pounds.
As for the T-bomb- that stuff can really mess you up? Alot of people say its really good, or is it something Roid people use?
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RE: What I learned at Vitamin World - 1/31/2005 8:27:53 PM
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edwhobbs
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I dont know what you are eating now, but up the protein and down the carbs in your diet if you are trying to bulk up and lose weight. Tuna is a great addition to your diet, as one normal size can will have about 30 grams of protein and no fat. a high protein diet will help recovery and muscle growth, and some sources say it will also naturally increase your testosterone levels. A diet high in carbs will increase your bodies cortisol levels which can deplete your natural testosterone levels. Also make sure you divide up your cardio and weight training sessions, this will also help your muscles grow. Another trick to bulking up is doing squats or deadlift or any other workout which recruits major muscle groups in high intensity sets, like 4-6 sets of 6 with moderate to heavy weight, maybe in the 65-80% (start low and work up) of your max range. Believe it or not, this will help your overall body development and burn fat.
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