What's the point of HST training??

ORIGINAL: brihead301

That looks like a damn good routine Silverfox.  Glad to hear you took our advice and you cut down the volume a bit.  As to my answer to everything - it's definately squats, but peanut butter is a close second. 

"I can't find a girlfriend"
"Squat"

"I already do squat, but chicks still don't dig me"
"Shut up and eat a jar of peanut butter, then squat some more"

(2 weeks later)

"Dude thanks for the advice, I had 2 chicks at once yesterday, and they were both slammin"
"Yup"

By far.. THE BEST POST of 2008 so far on this site hahaha.. i can't stop laughing.

i'd be happy for just 1 chick right now, but if squats with PB get me 2 good lookin' girls... you better believe that a video camera will be involved so i can re-live the moment hahahahhahah

My name is FOX.... and I approve this message.

Hell ya bro, just wait and see what happens when you take my advice...

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ORIGINAL: brihead301

Hell ya bro, just wait and see what happens when you take my advice...

heheh.. it's won't be pretty.  i'm bout to start some pro-hormones along with bulking and the HST diet..

my training should skyrocket.  and that libido.... well,  let's just say it's almost out of control with the pro-hormones...  24 years old. watch out world  HAH!

My name is FOX.... and I approve this message.

heheh.. it's won't be pretty.  i'm bout to start some pro-hormones along with bulking and the HST diet..

Don't you think it would be a better idea for you not not take prohormones since you are embarking upon a new routine and diet in an effort to find and stimulate natural growth?

ORIGINAL: kingkebabs

heheh.. it's won't be pretty.  i'm bout to start some pro-hormones along with bulking and the HST diet..

Don't you think it would be a better idea for you not not take prohormones since you are embarking upon a new routine and diet in an effort to find and stimulate natural growth?

Not entirely.  Wouldn't they amplify the effects of the new workout / diet? 

Are you taking any supplements king?

My name is FOX.... and I approve this message.

To answer my own question; it would be a good idea to not take prohormones.

Your entire aim should be to seek methods in which you can encourage hypertrophy (muscle tissue growth) without prohormones since this is the natural state of your body.

I'd expect you don't want to depend upon prohornones to grow?

You can't judge the effectiveness of your new routine and diet if you are elevating your bodys production of testosterone.

I'd assume that since you started this thread, you'd be more focused upon gaining from the actual routine (and diet).  Throwing a prohormone into the mix is serving no benefit whatsoever.  You are merely scrambling your base of judgement.  If the prohormone is effective, you could witness hypertrophy following any kind of routine and diet.  Post cycle you'll be a fish out of water with no evidence of effective training technique to pull you out of the slump.

Prohormones are steroid precursors. Personally I use whey, a multi vit and creatine mono.

Do yourself a favour and stagger the methods you use to encourage growth.  If growth ceases or begins to slow down in the future, change something in your routine.  Failing that (or next) change your routine in it's entirety. Introduce a mild stimulating supplement the next time you hit a sticking point? When gains slow down again, put another reserve plan into action. 

Effective training involves having all these little reserve plans in place and using them as and when they are required, not all at once.  You need to ration your arsenal.

Change your routine and diet and reap benefit from it, learning about your body and how to train it for natural growth.  You might even find that briheads joke about recommending squats may not be too far from the truth here.

ORIGINAL: kingkebabs

To answer my own question; it would be a good idea to not take prohormones.

Your entire aim should be to seek methods in which you can encourage hypertrophy (muscle tissue growth) without prohormones since this is the natural state of your body.

I'd expect you don't want to depend upon prohornones to grow?

You can't judge the effectiveness of your new routine and diet if you are elevating your bodys production of testosterone.

I'd assume that since you started this thread, you'd be more focused upon gaining from the actual routine (and diet).  Throwing a prohormone into the mix is serving no benefit whatsoever.  You are merely scrambling your base of judgement.  If the prohormone is effective, you could witness hypertrophy following any kind of routine and diet.  Post cycle you'll be a fish out of water with no evidence of effective training technique to pull you out of the slump.

Prohormones are steroid precursors. Personally I use whey, a multi vit and creatine mono.

Do yourself a favour and stagger the methods you use to encourage growth.  If growth ceases or begins to slow down in the future, change something in your routine.  Failing that (or next) change your routine in it's entirety. Introduce a mild stimulating supplement the next time you hit a sticking point? When gains slow down again, put another reserve plan into action. 

Effective training involves having all these little reserve plans in place and using them as and when they are required, not all at once.  You need to ration your arsenal.

Change your routine and diet and reap benefit from it, learning about your body and how to train it for natural growth.  You might even find that briheads joke about recommending squats may not be too far from the truth here.

Hmm.. i understand completely what you are saying.  and even though i just purchased some nice prohormones.. I think i'm going to just lay them aside for now so I can see how this program does for me with just protein/dieting.  and then.. like you recommended, maybe throw in the prohormones later on.  I just feel like i sorta wasted my money though if I don't use them right now...  

My name is FOX.... and I approve this message.

The only time IMO you should even think about PH is when you have reached your natural peak, and are still dissatisfied or still want to get bigger.

I still do not recommend it, but I think that should be the only time. And if/when you go down that road just make sure you do your research about everything including your post cycle.

current 5rm On the texas method
Squat:325
Deadlift:365
Bench:255
My lifting journal

http://strengthmill.net/forum/showthread.php?s=38c084ec0455b629ed0f09e4af40aeaf&t=2407&page=8

I like fox's routine(even though id throw in my personal favorite.. pull-ups.. and may just one set of dips)- but i have a question.. If i were to do the same routine, which i am thinking of doing, would I occasionally do variations of the excersies? Eg Incline bench instead of Flat? or even something like Dumbell instead of barbell? just wondering if stuff like that goes with the HST principle?
 
Oh and for his next workout will he be doing more weight? or does he wait a week to up the weight?

Yeah you could change those variables.

Also each workout your weight in that particular lift goes up.

Bench press you start out at 135x15
your next time you do 140x15
145x15 etc...so at the end of the 15 rep cycle you end on your 15 rep max.

thats why knowing your rep max for a given number is important so you can plan your workouts accordingly to increase the weight, thats what the progressive load is.

Hope that helped.

ORIGINAL: Touchdown Jesus

I like fox's routine(even though id throw in my personal favorite.. pull-ups.. and may just one set of dips)- but i have a question.. If i were to do the same routine, which i am thinking of doing, would I occasionally do variations of the excersies? Eg Incline bench instead of Flat? or even something like Dumbell instead of barbell? just wondering if stuff like that goes with the HST principle?

Oh and for his next workout will he be doing more weight? or does he wait a week to up the weight?

current 5rm On the texas method
Squat:325
Deadlift:365
Bench:255
My lifting journal

http://strengthmill.net/forum/showthread.php?s=38c084ec0455b629ed0f09e4af40aeaf&t=2407&page=8

ORIGINAL: TheSilverFox

Hmm.. i understand completely what you are saying.  and even though i just purchased some nice prohormones.. I think i'm going to just lay them aside for now so I can see how this program does for me with just protein/dieting.  and then.. like you recommended, maybe throw in the prohormones later on.  I just feel like i sorta wasted my money though if I don't use them right now...  

Wise move.

Forget the money and consider your health.  You can easily sell them if need be.

Would doing cardio twice a week for about 15-20 mins be counter productive while doing HST? When my goal is to bulk a bit?

I think it depends on the intensity of the cardio and the amount of calories you're taking in on your bulk.. If you're eating clean, and have a good understanding of your body.. probably no need for cardio other than cardiovascular health.. If you're not sure about your diet, unfamiliar with your body and how it responds.. might not be a bad idea to keep the fat down.. Unfortunately that will have to be a personal call because no one can really predict how your body is responding..
 

ORIGINAL: Touchdown Jesus

Would doing cardio twice a week for about 15-20 mins be counter productive while doing HST? When my goal is to bulk a bit?

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing