What's the point of HST training??

From my experience with HST.. I think the following is the perfect routine..
 
Monday:
Squats
Flat bench
OH press
Rows
Pullups
 
Wed:
Deads
Incline Bench
OH PRess
Rows
Pullups
 
Friday:
Squats
Leg Press
SLDL
Calf Raises
 
Sat:
Flat bench
OH Press
BB Rows
Pullups
 
Some type of isolation for the tri's and maybe rear delts..
 
Other than that.. no more isolations..

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

After looking at the post you made below I can certainly see why you might not particularly care for HST type training... the type of training you are doing is very specific toward your goal of competing in a strongman competition.. Far different from the average lifter who is going to the gym 3-4 days weekly..

While I still don't agree with your views regarding HST routines, I think you should be more selective regarding how make judgments on particular training methods... You've been training 6-7 years.. I've been training over 25, 30 if you count my teenage training years from when I was 15...

Stating your opinion is one thing but blatantly blasting someone's training method isn't at all necessary.. and could have been done in a far better way... I don't agree with every training philosophy being spread on the net either.. but when a training concept such as HST contains such basic principles, it's very hard to dispute the fact it works. Just a lot of un-necessary comments..

My current intentions of gearing towards strongman isn't really relative to the argument.  I've trained for many other purposes and I've used many set routines as I admitted in an earlier post.  I'm working with a bar in the same way the next person is too.

As I stated before I made my post, I don't regard stats as having any bearing on the discussion, nor does the amount of training time reflect knowledge, so with this in mind I don't take your 25 years into regard.  I've seen people train for longer with absolutely shocking and dangerous training practices.

It's what you make of your time that matters.

ORIGINAL: jheft

ORIGINAL: brihead301
No, I was just basically following Rippetoe's exercise selection - squat every workout, deadlifts on wednesdays, chins/pulls on fridays, alternate bench and overhead press every workout.

OK, I guess I misunderstood what you were asking about.

I only skimmed Starting Strength and Practical Programming so far (and I don't have them in front of me at the moment to refer to). Does he really suggest just a few sets of just three exercises per workout (recognizing that they are big, compound exercises)?

It seems like it'd be an awfully short workout unless I was giving myself 5 minutes of rest every set or taking 20 seconds for every rep or something... Obviously, Rippetoe knows more than me though...

 
Believe me, it's all you need.  The working sets are only 3x5's using the same weight, but there are ramping warm-ups too, which actually aren't supposed to be counted towards the total volume, but they're still part of the routine regardless, and they take energy up.  It may seem easy at first, but you gotta remember that the weight keeps going up.  It gets harder and harder each workout.  The total tonnage keeps increasing.
 
After doing 5 warm-up sets and 3 working sets of squats I'm wooped, then you do the same for bench, but with slightly less warm-up sets.  Finish with a nice, heavy set of deadlifts.  Then I have to force myself to do some ab work at the end.  It's hard, and it runs about 1 1/2 hours.  I really liked this routine, but I had to take a short break from strength training like that since I've been doing it for a solid 4 months.  It was starting to really take a toll on my body.  That's why I'm doing some less intense, higher rep work for a month or two to recuperate.   

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You've managed to take the most irrelevant part of the post and elaborate on it.. I don't recall saying anything to the nature of training time making a difference.. ?  
 
The post was simply stating you deliberately slammed a respected training method.. one you've probably never even tried and then later down the road tried to back peddle out of it saying you agreed with the principles of HST.. you can't have it both ways.. either you agree or you don't agree.. HST is not a program, it's based on training philosophy that is well respected and has proven to be successfully for most who give it a chance.. ..
 
No need to slam it and say it's for beginners and someone would have just as good of gains walking up stairs.. those unnecessary comments could have easily discouraged the OP from even looking at the program.. Fortunately, enough people read the post and verified that HST training philosphy is sound..
 
 

ORIGINAL: kingkebabs

After looking at the post you made below I can certainly see why you might not particularly care for HST type training... the type of training you are doing is very specific toward your goal of competing in a strongman competition.. Far different from the average lifter who is going to the gym 3-4 days weekly..

While I still don't agree with your views regarding HST routines, I think you should be more selective regarding how make judgments on particular training methods... You've been training 6-7 years.. I've been training over 25, 30 if you count my teenage training years from when I was 15...

Stating your opinion is one thing but blatantly blasting someone's training method isn't at all necessary.. and could have been done in a far better way... I don't agree with every training philosophy being spread on the net either.. but when a training concept such as HST contains such basic principles, it's very hard to dispute the fact it works. Just a lot of un-necessary comments..

My current intentions of gearing towards strongman isn't really relative to the argument.  I've trained for many other purposes and I've used many set routines as I admitted in an earlier post.  I'm working with a bar in the same way the next person is too.

As I stated before I made my post, I don't regard stats as having any bearing on the discussion, nor does the amount of training time reflect knowledge, so with this in mind I don't take your 25 years into regard.  I've seen people train for longer with absolutely shocking and dangerous training practices.

It's what you make of your time that matters.

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

ORIGINAL: brihead301
Believe me, it's all you need.

I guess it just seems like a small amount because I still just don't have that much strength yet (except for deadlifts) to require very many warm-up sets. Like, if I'm only benching like 135 or something for my working sets, it's hard to justify more than one (maybe two) warm-up sets.

My squat situation still is a big problem too. I was just getting comfortable when the stupid holidays hit, and it's like I'm starting all over yet again. I gotta get that straightened out.

Seriously, how long do you need to go on for?

I think you should be more selective regarding how make judgments on particular training methods... You've been training 6-7 years.. I've been training over 25

Clearly the part you regard as irrelevant was relative to you, hence the fact that you typed it.  The time you have trained has zero bearing on the discussion. Someone asked about me and my progress and I gave a reply.  It wasn't a call for you to pull out the "I've been training for X amount of years more than you" ace card.

I'm done with talk of HST.  You know my opinion and I know yours. It doesn't need any more elaboration....

I agree, it's a dead subject.. The next time you want to argue and blast somehting.. back up what you say instead of avoiding the issue when you're called on it..

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

I agree, it's a dead subject.. The next time you want to argue and blast somehting.. back up what you say instead of avoiding the issue when you're called on it..

You've already been told and I've offered to deliver you a transcript.

Good luck.

Well guys.. if anyone cares.  I tried HST today for the first time.  Here was my routine

10 mins light warmup on the bike followed by some stretching

15 reps for the next 2 weeks.

Here is this weeks program for me

Squats - weight 135 - sets - 2
FlatBench - weight 175 - sets 2
Bent over Rows - weight 50 - sets 2
Overhead Press - weight 45 - sets 2

then i did a few isolation sets

bicep hammers - weight in each hand 25 lbs - 1 set
tricep rope pushdowns - weight 80 - 1 set

then some abs

3 sets of crunches with 6 lb weight on my chest


What do you guys think so far??  This is BY FAR the best workout I have ever had/done.  I feel amazing, and can't wait to do it again in 2 days.

Contructive criticism and input is very welcome.  Just as long as we can do it in a mature manner.

Thanks again guys

My name is FOX.... and I approve this message.

The only suggestion I would have is to get deadlifts in your workout somewhere. But that's my answer for everything.

"I need a new exercise!"
"Do some deadlifts."

"I need to improve my grip!"
"Do some deadlifts."

"My back hurts!"
"Do some deadlifts."

"My girlfriend is cheating on me!"
"Do some deadlifts."

"I'm getting deported!"
"Do some deadlifts."

In fact, I just took my own advice, and all the stress of the day is gone...

ORIGINAL: jheft

The only suggestion I would have is to get deadlifts in your workout somewhere. But that's my answer for everything.

"I need a new exercise!"
"Do some deadlifts."

"I need to improve my grip!"
"Do some deadlifts."

"My back hurts!"
"Do some deadlifts."

"My girlfriend is cheating on me!"
"Do some deadlifts."

"I'm getting deported!"
"Do some deadlifts."

In fact, I just took my own advice, and all the stress of the day is gone...

thank you sir, I will be adding deadlifts next week.  I figured squats combined with rows was enough for the legs and back.  thanks

^^LMFAO at the deported - deadlift comment.  that was some funny shiznit

My name is FOX.... and I approve this message.

Hey.... I thought peanut butter was the answer to all those questions????????
 
 
 
 

ORIGINAL: jheft

The only suggestion I would have is to get deadlifts in your workout somewhere. But that's my answer for everything.

"I need a new exercise!"
"Do some deadlifts."

"I need to improve my grip!"
"Do some deadlifts."

"My back hurts!"
"Do some deadlifts."

"My girlfriend is cheating on me!"
"Do some deadlifts."

"I'm getting deported!"
"Do some deadlifts."

In fact, I just took my own advice, and all the stress of the day is gone...

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

No, that's brihead's answer. Mine is always deadlifts. Or possibly raspberries.

I defy anyone to anyone to challenge my deadlift logic.

Nah.. I'm with you on the deadlifts.. but combine peanut butter and deadlifts together.. The solution to all world issues..

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

That looks like a damn good routine Silverfox.  Glad to hear you took our advice and you cut down the volume a bit.  As to my answer to everything - it's definately squats, but peanut butter is a close second. 
 
"I can't find a girlfriend"
"Squat"
 
"I already do squat, but chicks still don't dig me"
"Shut up and eat a jar of peanut butter, then squat some more"
 
(2 weeks later)
 
"Dude thanks for the advice, I had 2 chicks at once yesterday, and they were both slammin"
"Yup"
 
 

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