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Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/20/2006 10:49:14 AM
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veggeep
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Okay, I promised everyone I'd keep you posted on my switch to CEE, so here we go...
I have gone through two bottles of plain, unflavored, un-embellished creatine monohydrate with precisely the response I was expecting (increased performance during the workout, faster recovery between sets, and a significant amount of cell volumizing "bloat" -which I actually like, thank you very much). After our little bulking competition here on DBB ends next week, I'll cycle off the Creatine for two weeks and then start backk up on MuscleTech's CEE-Pro.
I've already used this stuff for a week, and (although it's still too early to tell) I don't notice any significant improvement or degredation compared to monohydrate.
There is one noticable side effect, however, that I can report with certainty is related to MuscleTech CEE-Pro: a side effect you typically only associate with asparagus consumption 
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/20/2006 11:35:02 AM
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ebbearsfb1
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is there any cheap brands of CEE in cap form?
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/20/2006 12:51:47 PM
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Jayman30187
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I used the Muscletech CEE pro and I couldn't tell a difference at all. I use Six Star CEE and I can tell a big difference.
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/20/2006 4:06:11 PM
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/20/2006 4:07:04 PM
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Does CEE also volumize ur muscle cells?
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/20/2006 4:10:29 PM
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ebbearsfb1
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whats the difference between creatine cee
and monohdyrate
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/20/2006 4:55:52 PM
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I used the Muscletech CEE pro and I couldn't tell a difference at all. I use Six Star CEE and I can tell a big difference.
in size? or in it actually working?
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/20/2006 4:59:13 PM
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ebbearsfb1
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what company is six star cee?
other question why can't i seem to find cee pro on muscletech website
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/20/2006 6:12:08 PM
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Does CEE also volumize ur muscle cells?
Any form of Creatine should have that effect. Like I said, I haven't noticed any less volumization on it than I do on Monohydrate.
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whats the difference between creatine cee and monohdyrate
Hype, apparently  J/K... CEE is purported to work more efficiently (less dosage required) than Mono, with less cramping potential. That shouldn't be an issue if you get enough water.
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why can't i seem to find cee pro on muscletech website
Good question -Either they disco'd the product line, or they forgot. I could only find it by searching supp retailers online.
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/20/2006 10:13:25 PM
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ebbearsfb1 I don't think Muscletech make the CEE Pro anymore. I cannot find them on the Muscletech website, you can order them from 3rd party distribuitors due to overstock, but once their gone they are gone. Iovate Health make all products for Muscletech and they make all products for Six Star also. Same company make both, just the Six Stars are a whole lot better.
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/21/2006 9:03:25 AM
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you can order them from 3rd party distribuitors due to overstock, but once their gone they are gone.
Yep. That has been my impression. I scored the best deal out of fifteen major distributors on a couple of 180 ct. bottles from MassNutrition.com, but looking through their wholesale price catalogue, it becomes obvious that the killer deal on MuscleTech CEE-Pro caplets is because they're clearing it out. The rest of their prices aren't that much better than street.
This reminds me of the killer deal I got on an '84 Subaru with a 1600 cc horizontally opposed 4-cyl engine. The one that magically blew BOTH cylinder heads two weeks after they stopped manufacturing replacement parts 
Caveat Emptor 
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/21/2006 3:08:12 PM
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ebbearsfb1
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is it worth it should i go and get abottle or 2?
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/21/2006 3:58:09 PM
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ORIGINAL: ebbearsfb1
is it worth it should i go and get abottle or 2?
Well, again, it's still too early for me to start making recommendations. I'm not expecting CEE to blow my mind or anything, but if I don't notice any significant benefits to the Monohydrate I was taking, I'm not going to sing its praises. The fact is, this stuff costs more than Monohydrate, so if it isn't any better than Mono, the answer should be obvious.
Sorry to dangle the carrot like this, LOL. Answers in due course
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/22/2006 5:16:16 PM
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whats the difference between creatine cee
and monohdyrate
Okay, I have a clearer understanding of the difference now. Take a picture folks -this is the first time I've jumped on a supplement because of the hype without doing my homework first, LOL It won't happen again...
Anyway, Creatine Ethyl Ester is simply Creatine Monohydrate that has been Esterified. "Oooooo! I hope you didn't skip your workout digging up that complicated explanation!" Ha ha ha ha! Bear with me:
Esters are organic compounds that are formed by esterification - the reaction of carboxylic acid and alcohols. Esters exist in the lipids (fat tissues) of animals. The point of esterifying a compound like Creatine (and some anabolic steroids, it turns out), is to increase its fat solubility. Why would you do that? Creatine Monohydrate utilizes lipids to permeate the cell membrane (called passive permeation), to get to where it can do it's mo-jo. Unfortunately, Creatine Mono is semi-lipophobic (mostly water-soluble), so you have to take huge amounts of it (5 grams/day is huge in micronutrient supplementation terms) to make sure enough gets through the cell membrane. Not very efficient.
By esterifying the Creatine Mono, the lab-coats purport, smaller doses are required to acheive cell saturation, and the increased fat solubility reduces the amount of water that gets dragged into the cell with it. The former is significant because -hey, wouldn't you rather accomplish the same thing with less if you could? The latter is significant because It may reduce the "bloating" effect of creatine, one of it's lesser-understood side effects.
Personally, I prefer the bloat. Give me bigger bi's, I don't care if they're pumped full of sand, LOL Seriously, I feel fuller, tighter, and more pumped with a moderate amount of Creatine saturation. So taking CEE might be a good way to test whether you perceive any legitimate strength increases without the same size increases as Monohydrate, but if you want both, CEE is probably not such a hot idea.
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/22/2006 5:30:06 PM
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veggeep Seeing how Muscletech discontinued the CEE Pro you should look into the Six Star line. I know you said you bought 2 bottles of the CEE PRO so I would not expect you to buy anything for a long while until you run out of those first. Do you take 2 pre workout and 2 post workout as directions tell you to do? Or do you just take 2 pre workout?? With the Six Star CEE they tell you the same exact thing in directions 2 pre and 2 post. I buy these Six Stars CEE at Wal-mart for $19.97 for 60 count, which is kinda salty if you think about it. I only take 2 pre workout due to the cost and the amount you get. I have tried both and I must say I like the Six Stars alot better, I feel stronger on them and feel they respond better for me. I don't know what you will feel or how you respond to it? I am just saying when you do run out of the CEE PRO try the Six Star. I know they are sold at Wal-mart and they are an AS SEEN ON TV product, but don't judge them on that. They are top notch trust me. I'm going to continue to purchase them. They are one hell of creatine.
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/22/2006 6:36:17 PM
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ebbearsfb1
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is 6 star a company?
cee pro is like 30-40 dollars but u get 90 uses out of a bottle which is awesome
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/22/2006 6:43:06 PM
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In short...which one is better???? and what do u guys recomend??? i mean, cee pro´s by muscle tech its a good option??? cause im using cellmass but it seems that it dosen´t work very much...
what creatin should i buy to gainnn size¡¡¡¡¡???
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/22/2006 7:23:05 PM
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Do you take 2 pre workout and 2 post workout as directions tell you to do?
Yep. That's my protocol. Actually, I usually take two before breakfast, and the other two in the late afternoon, right after a workout (with my protein). On non-workout days, I take the second serving two hours before bed.
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In short...which one is better???? and what do u guys recomend???
That's what we're trying to figure out But, like Jayman said, since MuscleTech apparently isn't making any more of the stuff, this might be a moot point. Good advice on the Six Star brand, tho. If it's doing the same thing, and it's cheaper -hey... it's all good!
CellMass is BSN's standard monohydrate product, right? If you're not noticing at least a nominal improvement on standard monohydrate, my guess is CEE won't be much better. I have no idea, to tell you the truth. Some folks don't respond to Creatine at all How long have you been using CellMass, and what's your methodology (when do you take it, and how much)?
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Yes, that's me in my avatar, and NO, I don't look like that today. That was taken back in Jan '07, and I lost most of that progress when I slacked off last year. I'm on my way back, tho, and I'm using that photo for inspiration.
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RE: Veggeep's Creatine Ethyl Esther Review - 2/22/2006 8:52:14 PM
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Che
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well, this is my first tub,,,and im taking cellmass, a miltivitamin, and n´large...do u think that i should change a tub of cellmass for a cee pro by muscle tech??? or i should stay with cellmass???
dont say: take no-xplode  hehehe cause i cant...it makes me sick...
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