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Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/21/2006 8:49:05 PM
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High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) is the cheapest ingredient in the American food chain (profit factor) after air, water and salt -- A FACT.
Fructose from HFCS is NOT the same molecule that is in sucrose, or for that matter fruit leveulose.
There are over 35 years of HARD empirical evidence of refined man-made fructose metabolizing to triglycerides and adipose tissue (thats FAT!), UNLIKE the fructose molecule linked to a glucose molecule, found in sucrose (cane or beet), which is converted to blood glucose.
Sucrose raises blood glucose and then crashes it, below fasting baseline, within 25 minutes of ingestions -- A FACT.
HFCS or crystalline fructose or hydrolyzed fructose from inulin, convert to triglycerides and adipose tissue (FAT), within 60 minutes of ingestion, not blood glucose -- A FACT.
If your goal is lean-ness or fat loss HFCS is NOT your friend.
Some other facts:
In 1970, zero pounds of HFCS existed in the U.S. food chain, or the SEMANTICALLY legislated equivalent in the EU, 'iso-glucose,' which is High Fructose Wheat Or Beet Syrup. Today HFCS is about 68 pounds per year per person in the USA -- FACT.
In 2005, if one looks at the actuarial curve on cardiovascular disease, obesity, hypoglycemia, and diabetes, they all parallel HFCS increase in the food chain -- A FACT.
Corn starch converted to a man-made molecule falsely called 'fructose' is NOT sugar from cane or beet nor is it metabolized the same -- A FACT.
MDs have no nutritional or metabolic training in med school -- A FACT.
MDs have no methodology in their teaching to prevent illness, as opposed to only treat illness -- A FACT.
Does HFCS significantly contribute to ill health in the food chain? Yes.
Now follow the insurance companies scrambling in actuarial panic, with a sudden and unexplained spike in heart attack death pay-outs among baby boomers ingesting too much HFCS, and telling MDs to warn patients to get off soda and HFCS-laden prducts -- A FACT.
Why is "sugar diabetes" is no longer a term in the medical lexicon?
The answer is western medicine has known since 1924 that sugar and refined sweeteners cause or trigger diabetes, yet the AMA cut 'sugar' out of the diabetes description in the early '60s because they knew they could make more money on treatment, not prevention or cure ...
They have betrayed The Hippocratic Oath -- "First, Do No Harm ... "
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/22/2006 5:51:24 AM
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I also read somewhere that fructose is the only carbohydrate that does not trigger an insulin response. If that's true, then you could shovel HFCS-laden foods all day without generating a satiety response. It's the best of both worlds: it gets stored as fat, and your body never gets the signal to stop eating it 
What a great invention! THIS is why Americans are staring down the barrel of an obesity epidemic (among other reasons). Food producers in this country don't give a s**t about health -all they care about is profit. HFCS will always be the cheapest, most convenient means of sweetening processed foods, and the average American consumer will always be addicted to it.
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/22/2006 6:10:33 AM
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MDs have no nutritional or metabolic training in med school -- A FACT.
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MDs have no methodology in their teaching to prevent illness, as opposed to only treat illness -- A FACT.
This is where i have to disagree. Not only did i have sufficient prevention & illness units/lectures/seminars/workshops during my degree but I still continue to do so now. While a majority of MDs work consists of treating illness, prevention and primary Medicine is become a larger part of the Med school cirriculum and even post-grade education sessions everyday.
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/22/2006 9:46:23 AM
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I also read somewhere that fructose is the only carbohydrate that does not trigger an insulin response.
A moderate amount of "fructose" (not HFCS) is good to replenish liver glycogen during glycogen loading post workout....but it also converts to bodyfat very easily!
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HFCS will always be the cheapest, most convenient means of sweetening processed foods, and the average American consumer will always be addicted to it.
fortunately with the competition for ethanol production, this may change.
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MDs have no methodology in their teaching to prevent illness, as opposed to only treat illness -- A FACT.
This is where i have to disagree. Not only did i have sufficient prevention & illness units/lectures/seminars/workshops during my degree but I still continue to do so now. While a majority of MDs work consists of treating illness, prevention and primary Medicine is become a larger part of the Med school curriculum and even post-grade education sessions everyday.
I am glad to hear that...this comment actually came from a prominent Physician and "health system critic" who is desirous of a change in the way the teaching and practice are carried out!
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/22/2006 10:28:39 AM
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As a chemist, I can tell you that we want to isolate everything we find in nature. For instance, when vitamin A in plants was found to help prevent cancer in studies, the pharmeceutical industry hired a chemist to isolate the compound. So if you imagine Vitamin A looking like this in a carrot:
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after the chemist isolated it, it would look like this:
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The latter has been shown to help "cause" cancer, while the former has been shown to help "prevent" cancer. Yet the American public continues to take their centrum synthetic vitamins which have no cofactors. It was quite arrogant of Linus Pauling (one of my heros) to say that there's no difference between natural vitamins and synthetics. Those in the field of chemistry think they undersand everything in the universe, and therefore can make anything by knowing its chemical composition.
Another example is when you squeeze corn, no oil comes out. But I can artificially extract oil from anything. I could put carpet oil on your salad if you would like. But if I make oil, I don't want what I just extracted to go rancid, and so I bombard it with hydrogen to make it last. So corn oil, cottonseed oil, and other vegetables oils are all quite bad in a similar way that high fructose corn syrup is bad. Harvard school of medicine did a HUGE study on fats and its relationship to cancer. When the women consumed the artificial corn oils and other vegetables oils, they had a much higher percentage of breast cancer as compared to consuming natural fat (found in meats, olive oil, flax, walnuts, other seeds etc.). Also when they do a study with twins the one on the margarine has twice the cholesterol count as the one on the butter.
A statement I suggest you think about is that "all that man needs to be healthy exists in nature, but it is science's job to find it". This means we could look in the ocean, look in various exotic places on earth and look for various plants holding mysterious properties, or study different cultures who have a unique property in their environment which allows for their health. Luckily, some have gotten wind of this and we have vitamin productson the market that are 100% natural, and we have seaweed products and coral calcium products in capsule form, which are head and shoulders above every other vitamin or mineral on the market.
For instance coral calcium is a type of mineral called an aragonite, whereas other land calcium carbonates are called calcites. This means the coral has 1000 times more surface area than the typical limestone, yet both are calcium carbonates. So when coral is exposed to water a lot of it is immediately ionized without needing acid, but when exposed to stomach acid, 99% of it is ionized in seconds and ready for absorption, whereas most of the calcium carbonates (such as about 90% of limestone) would not dissolve in the stomach and be readily passed out in digestion. Much of it has to do with the fact that coral calcium has been through the life cycle and in a sense is pre-digested. It's as if we consumed plants on land that has been grown in mineral rich soil and has made all of those previously-unuseable minerals available for use by the body.
We can rehash these things over and over again for every new lab-designed ingredient on the market, but the bottom line is we should never buy pre-packaged commercial foods or synethetic vitamins. Only consume fresh produce (having a vegetable garden is great), make your OWN grain dishes, consume organic meats and dairy, juice fruits and veggies with a juicer, make nice smoothies or fruit slushes, and consume vitamin/mineral supplements from "living" sources to supplement what's sadly missing from our soils. We also have to give some thought as to how we can eradicate fat-soluble man-made chemicals from the body in a reliable fashion.
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/22/2006 10:48:12 AM
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ORIGINAL: Lynx100
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MDs have no nutritional or metabolic training in med school -- A FACT.
Agree.
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MDs have no methodology in their teaching to prevent illness, as opposed to only treat illness -- A FACT.
This is where i have to disagree. Not only did i have sufficient prevention & illness units/lectures/seminars/workshops during my degree but I still continue to do so now. While a majority of MDs work consists of treating illness, prevention and primary Medicine is become a larger part of the Med school cirriculum and even post-grade education sessions everyday.
But alas, it's unfortunate for the American public that the AMA is pharmaceutically-controlled. By far, western medicine is more concerned with finding a toxic drug (the drug being toxic by definition) to treat one symptom of a disease rather than non-toxic nutrients which have seemingly unrelated benefits to many diseases which means they don't qualify to be studied as drugs.
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/22/2006 2:37:24 PM
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ShaqAttack...i knew you would comment!
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We can rehash these things over and over again for every new lab-designed ingredient on the market, but the bottom line is we should never buy pre-packaged commercial foods or synethetic vitamins. Only consume fresh produce (having a vegetable garden is great), make your OWN grain dishes, consume organic meats and dairy, juice fruits and veggies with a juicer, make nice smoothies or fruit slushes, and consume vitamin/mineral supplements from "living" sources to supplement what's sadly missing from our soils. We also have to give some thought as to how we can eradicate fat-soluble man-made chemicals from the body in a reliable fashion
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/22/2006 5:50:16 PM
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Yes, high fructose corn syrup is very common in most store sold foods nowadays. For the first time, I actually saw a label that said: NO HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP on it, which means that food manufacturers are aware that we are aware.
These food manufacturers only start to eliminate harmful ingredients in there foods when they notice that the customers are aware of them. And then they will simply replace one harmful ingredient with another one. For example, splenda, aspartame, etc. will just replace HFCS. All that means is artificial sweeteners replace sugars. At least sugars were natural, but the evidence on artificial sweeteners is iffy. Who knows of the long term effects?
Don't get me wrong, I eat foods with artificial sweeteners, but I am aware of it, and try hard to limit my consumption of it as much as possible. Others might not do that....just look at all the people who drink 'diet' soft drinks.
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/23/2006 10:07:27 AM
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Its not only HFCS, but the high percentage of corn in all of our food. Its everywhere.
The Russians did the same with the potato.
Its not the best thing to base all the foods on a certain ingrediant. This alone will cause health problems.
Interestingly, anthropologists have long noted that the healthiest cultures were hunter/gatherers, and that at the advent of agricultural nations, health declined quite rapidly. A professor of Anthropology I know said that he's seen many cases of fossils which he had determined to have died from serious mouth infections due to too much grain consumption (or too much phosphorus and not enough calcium). However those who consumed lots of beans, fish, berries, seeds, nuts, other tree fruits and things, had perfect teeth.
Let me reiterate so that we don't make grains sound terrible, that in the study of the healthiest cultures on the planet there is a moderate amount of grain consumption, but their portions are smaller than in America, they are not processed in the slightest, and they make their "own" grain dishes.
And so, I would not recommend eliminating grains completely from the diet because they have antioxidants, B-vitamins, Vitamin E, and they have the minerals phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, and usually a small amount of calcium.
Speaking of minerals, I believe most mineral ratios are completely out of whack in America, largely due to excess grain consumption. Sodium is so easily absorbed (however still very necessary to consume) that it's easy to get too much. Potassium is about 90% absorbable in plants, but we simply don't consume enough of those plants to get a good 5 or 6 grams of it a day. These two minerals play crucial roles in the nervous system. They, along with calcium, are the medium by which electricity is transferred throughout the body. They could be thought of as the body's "batteries". And if you get large amounts of these minerals in the daily diet, your body will keep going and going and going like the energizer bunny. :) So America must consume more potassium.
The ratio that concerns me the most, however, is the calcium/phosphorus ratio. America gets way too much phophorus and you could blame the red meat, soft drink, and grain industries. Phosphorus is essential to life, but you must consume 2 parts calcium to 1 part phosphorus to obtain the ideal ratio for the body. Phosphorus like sodium and potassium is very easily absorbed, or approximately 90% of it in foods is absorbed. However, only 25% or less of calcium is absorbed from food or hard water. The best absorbable source of calcium from typical foods are from milk which usually hovers around 17-23% absorption. Some chelated minerals can get up to 25-30% absorption. However, sea products like seaweed or coral calcium get a much higher amount of absorption because some of it has been munched on (or pre-digested) by other creatures and the calcium carbonate becomes more of an aragonite which is very helpful to the human body in digestion. The biggest reasons for lack of calcium absorption in America is:
1. Too much phosphorus! Phosphates when present in the stomach bond with any ionized calcium to form a bony precipitate (calcium phosphate) which prevents calcium absorption.
2. Lack of vitamin D. America doesn't eat fish as regularly as they should which is the best food source of vitamin D. Also, at once we were in loincloth all day exposing our skin to the sun, but now we are in suits and ties as we go to work, and we cover our skin all day. If we don't have 5000 IU of vitamin D in the intestine most calcium and magnesium just pass out of the body.
3. Softening the water supply to help appliances and prevent shower buildup.
4. Not consuming enough calcium to get the biological requirement of about 800 milligrams "absorbed" by the body each day. So let's say an American consumes the full RDA of calcium (which is rare in itself!), but neglects vitamin D consumption, and obtains their calcium from a 17% absorbable source like milk. You will only absorb 170 milligrams of calcium that day (if you're lucky) when your body needed 800! So the only other alternative is to add vitamin D supplementation, expose their skin to sunlight, and then consume higher absorbable forms of calcium like seaweed or coral calcium (or intake 5-10 g of the lower quality calcium per day from hard water).
5. Calcium is rare in many typical American foods (aside from dairy). One must consume more almonds or figs or soybeans, and more greens and other exotic things like this which can be hard to fit on the typical American family's menu.
And so, for general health, one needs to increase consumption of potassium, decrease the phosphorus from current levels, and increase calcium. Lastly, I wanted to write a little note to any dentists on this board to finish up this post.
**Attention all dentists: to eliminate cavities, tooth decay, and the most serious forms of gum infection in all your patients over an extended period of time, tell them to eliminate red meat, all soft drinks, and most grains, and tell them to prefer fruits and veggies, beans, nuts, seeds, calcium products, and to supplement 5,000-10,000 IU of vitamin D per day. You will notice remarkable changes in their tooth enamel and gum health.
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/23/2006 11:00:16 AM
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**Attention all dentists: to eliminate cavities, tooth decay, and the most serious forms of gum infection in all your patients over an extended period of time, tell them to eliminate red meat, all soft drinks, and most grains, and tell them to prefer fruits and veggies, beans, nuts, seeds, calcium products, and to supplement 5,000-10,000 IU of vitamin D per day. You will notice remarkable changes in their tooth enamel and gum health.
Funny you should mention that. I've only been a veggilante for five years, but my dentist remarked that I have probably the healthiest mouth he's ever seen on a guy in his nid-thirties. He said, "decay is practically non-existant with you." I must have lucked out earlier in life, because I've had all of TWO pit fillings in the sides of two seperate molars. I say "lucked out" because for about fifteen years, my oral hygiene went rent out the window -by any reasonable expectation, I should have lost all my teeth by 25  Compare that to my brother, who has had almost every single one of his molars filled -dude's practically a mouth full of metal.
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/23/2006 1:19:19 PM
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Hi Veggeep. That doesn't suprise me a bit to hear that. With regard to oral hygiene....In many primitive cultures around the world, the elaborate method of keeping the teeth clean is picking them with a stick. And yet the cultural studies have found that the cavities among the youngsters are "virtually" non-existent when compared with more "advaced" cultures like America. The diet seems to be the crucial factor.
Dental hygiene is only a recently-developed form of care, yet these anthropologists have noted very healthy teeth in people millions of years old before the agricultural revolution. It's just some food for thought. So I think your diet must have been the crucial factor in your development of healthier enamel, which allowed it to stay strong and resistant to acids or bacteria.
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/24/2006 12:06:58 PM
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Man this stuff really pisses me off. I started reading alternative medical literature this year and I learned about aspartime, HFCS and the deception that occurs in this country. Really pisses me off. Thank God for people like Shaq, exposing the truth.
Question, so multivitamins are bad, correct? Are any multivitamins good for you? Or is it the fact that they are synthetic, the reason they are no good?
Also, is there any other source of vitamin D other than Fish? I take Fish oil capsules, from Carlsons, supposedly the best, but I don't know if there is anything else you'd recommend. Or is fish oil capsules NFG as well.
Thanks for your help.
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/24/2006 1:52:36 PM
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Read here for the difference between fish oil and Cod liver oil:
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/Cod_liver_oil_vs_Fish_Oil/m_114653/tm.htm
You can get Vitamin D from the sun!!!
Expose your skin for at lease 45 minutes a day!!
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so multivitamins are bad, correct?
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Are any multivitamins good for you? Or is it the fact that they are synthetic, the reason they are no good?
There are alot of MVs that are from whole food sources and these tend to be the best sources for nutrients for the body.
It is recommended that all adults take a multivitamin to insure they are getting the minimum daily-recommended amounts for basic health. Additionally, resolving any deficiencies will among other things, make the body more efficient at using fat for energy and for building muscle.
Having conducted cross-cultural studies on the nutrient content of diets, I can say that most diets, even those of athletes who consume large amounts of whole food (3500 to 4500 calories), are deficient in many essential nutrients.
A recent study by the USDA demonstrated that 1% of Americans meet the minimum standards for dietary adequacy, with none in the study meeting the current goal amounts.
In a 1995 study published in the Journal of the American Dietetics Association, dietitians were asked to design diets that met the 1989 RDAs and 1990 Dietary Guidelines while providing 2200-2400 calories and remaining palatable to the individuals in the study. Using software designed specifically for creating a healthy diet, these trained dietitians were unable to accomplish the given objective.
On June 19, 2002 the Journal of the American Medical Association (not that we trust them per se...) reversed its previous position, and began advising that all adults take a multivitamin pill each day as insurance against deficiencies.
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 7/24/2006 4:30:49 PM
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Man this stuff really pisses me off. I started reading alternative medical literature this year and I learned about aspartime, HFCS and the deception that occurs in this country. Really pisses me off. Thank God for people like Shaq, exposing the truth.
Question, so multivitamins are bad, correct? Are any multivitamins good for you? Or is it the fact that they are synthetic, the reason they are no good?
Also, is there any other source of vitamin D other than Fish? I take Fish oil capsules, from Carlsons, supposedly the best, but I don't know if there is anything else you'd recommend. Or is fish oil capsules NFG as well.
Thanks for your help.
Hi. I hope I don't portray myself as a conspiracy theorist. :) But the fact of the matter is you do not have medical freedom, and so we are at the mercy of the AMA and are not allowed to practice medicine with anything other than AMA approved protocols (ie drugs, and orthodox surgery). Unfortunately, while nutritional therapy has proven to heal millions, it won't be another 25-35 years before doctors can regularly prescribe nutrients.
I think it is "crucial" to take an extra multivitamin. But you have to get it from food sources. I will not say centrum has no benefit at all, but I will not guarentee their safety or effectiveness for anybody. I think Garden of Life has a very good multivitamin. If you type Garden of Life into google you should get a host of sellers of their products. It's from 100% whole food sources.
Fish like halibut, cod, salmon, and mackeral have the highest amounts of vitamin D from food sources. Eggs also have some vitamin D but it's a "much" lesser amount, pehaps only 25 IU. I would wholeheartedly recommend consuming a cod or halibut liver oil supplement. They usually come in tiny pills at 400 IU each, but I would recommend you increase it to between 5,000 and 10,000 IU. Also, the sun is your best source, but you must expose your skin and have a light complexion to produce significant vitamin D. Black America has horrific disease because they stay out of the sun, and anytime they get in the sun their dark skin prevents vitamin D production which is essential to health. And so they are the group that most needs supplementation. Hope this helps.
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 6/6/2007 10:24:56 PM
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I have erased as many preservatives from my diet as possile all while keeping it low budget, nutritious, and convenient. I've lost a lot of weight and have maintained a strict healthy diet and a solid workout routine. I've Never felt better, although getting used to the lack of artificial flavoring took a little getting used to.
As far as synthetic vitamins go, can I assume Universal's Animal Pak is a great choice?
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 6/7/2007 12:07:24 AM
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This post should be stickied. Great information.
Yes, the pak is a good vitamin. Not synthetic.
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RE: Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup - 6/7/2007 9:09:13 AM
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Yeah I agree, this should be stickied. I've been looking up HFCS lately, and very surpised to find out how bad it is on the body. I knew artificial flavors aren't good but I didn't realize that many of the health problems in America could be attributed to an ingredient that's in just about anything that's processed. Luckily my diet only had one item that had high frucose corn syrup...it was the self proclaimed "healthy 100% whole wheat bread". Holy FUCTOSE CORN SYRUP Batman!!! So I chucked it and spent several minutes in the grocery store searching for bread that didn't have this crap in it. My natural peanut butter and jelly sandwich has now turned into my Natural Peanut Butter, minus artificial jelly, on "No Bullsh!t" Wheat Bread sandwich. Great Transistion.
Just another article supporting this information of Fructose: http://www.drkaslow.com/html/fructose.html
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