Tweak to my program, Dad's suggestion, good idea?

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Avolition

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Tweak to my program, Dad's suggestion, good idea? - Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:58 PM ( #1 )
Doing this at the moment:
 
Monday-Back
 
1 Arm Row 3x6
Lat Pull Down 3x6
Low Row Pull Ups 3x6
Pull Ups 6-6-6
 
Tuesday-Chest
 
Flat Bench 3x6
Incline Bench 3x6
Decline Bench 3x6
Fly 3x6
 
Wednesday-Legs
 
Extension 3x6
Curls 3x6
Leg Press 3x6
Inner Outer Thigh 3x6
 
Thursday-Shoulders/Calves
 
Reverse Lateral 3x6
Side Lateral 3x6
Seated Overhead Press 3x6
These calf machines that I don't know the name
 
Friday-Arms
 
Tricep Pushdown 3x6
One Arm Extension 3x6
Behind the back extension 3x6
Hammer Curl 3x6
Seated Arm Curl 3x6
Barbel Curl 3x6
 
Alright, I'm new to working out but this is what I've been doing for a whopping week, and I'm fine with it, takes like 45 min to do which isn't bad.  It was suggested to me by a friend who is very big into working out.  Now, my Father says I should do this ENTIRE work out in a day, 3-4 days a week to really see gains, instead of my one section of body per day thing I've been doing.  This makes sense, but will take a few hours to do everything.  I have the time to do this but I'm wondering if it's worth it?  I need to make gains quickly, I'd like to gain 10 lbs in 4 months.  I'm 23 years old, 5'10, and weigh 140lbs, so I'm pretty skinny.  Going for gains then I'll work on getting cut, but at the moment, any muscle growth would be grand.  Thanks for any advice.  Pardon some exercises that might not make sense, my friend said he made up some of the names I guess.  Appreciate it!
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Re:Tweak to my program, Dad's suggestion, good idea? - Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:15 PM ( #2 )
The saying "Father Knows Best" does not apply here.  And here is a list of reasons that I believe to be true:
1. Muscle grows during recovery time, not workout time.
2. Unless genetical gifted or taking hormones, the muscle needs 5-6 days off to fully recover and build new cells.
3. Workouts over an hour cause a steep decrease in testosterone and an increase in cortisol, this you do not want.

Here is a tip about workout order.  Do your compound movement first, then isolation movements.  And start with the biggest muscle group you will be training on that day.
For example....a "Push Day" might look like this:
X sets bench press - compound
X sets flys - isolation
X sets Shoulder press - compound
X sets lateral raises - isolation
X sets tricep pushdowns - isolation(triceps will be pretty spent already from the other compound movements)

I like a Push/Pull/Legs 3 day split.  It gives adequate rest times and allows you to hit it hard and get the most out of your time.  If you insist on a 1 body part a day 5 day split, may I recommend this order:
Shoulders, Arms and Abs, Legs, Back and Traps, Chest and Abs.  It gives longer rest periods following the bigger bodyparts having the weekend after the big three, and allows you to hit the shoulders hard again on Monday.
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Re:Tweak to my program, Dad's suggestion, good idea? - Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:51 PM ( #3 )
why 6 reps?

Goal: Cut to less than 10% BF by summer.


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Re:Tweak to my program, Dad's suggestion, good idea? - Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:52 PM ( #4 )

Gotcha, I guess I will leave it as is then.  Appreciate it!
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Re:Tweak to my program, Dad's suggestion, good idea? - Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:53 PM ( #5 )

My friend said if I'm trying to get big to use more weight and less reps.
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Re:Tweak to my program, Dad's suggestion, good idea? - Monday, March 09, 2009 5:02 AM ( #6 )
for hypertrophy the general rule of thumb is a rep range of 6-12 reps, 6 and below is more for strength
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Re:Tweak to my program, Dad's suggestion, good idea? - Monday, March 09, 2009 6:41 AM ( #7 )
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optimumhealth


The saying "Father Knows Best" does not apply here.  And here is a list of reasons that I believe to be true:
1. Muscle grows during recovery time, not workout time.
2. Unless genetical gifted or taking hormones, the muscle needs 5-6 days off to fully recover and build new cells.
3. Workouts over an hour cause a steep decrease in testosterone and an increase in cortisol, this you do not want.

Here is a tip about workout order.  Do your compound movement first, then isolation movements.  And start with the biggest muscle group you will be training on that day.
For example....a "Push Day" might look like this:
X sets bench press - compound
X sets flys - isolation
X sets Shoulder press - compound
X sets lateral raises - isolation
X sets tricep pushdowns - isolation(triceps will be pretty spent already from the other compound movements)

I like a Push/Pull/Legs 3 day split.  It gives adequate rest times and allows you to hit it hard and get the most out of your time.  If you insist on a 1 body part a day 5 day split, may I recommend this order:
Shoulders, Arms and Abs, Legs, Back and Traps, Chest and Abs.  It gives longer rest periods following the bigger bodyparts having the weekend after the big three, and allows you to hit the shoulders hard again on Monday.



Sorry to hijack, do you have a good push/pull/legs routine. Looking to start a new routine next week. I like the sound of allowing more time for muscles to rest. Currently doing a 3 day that's similair, upper, lower, upper but not alternating betweeen push pull. cheers

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Re:Tweak to my program, Dad's suggestion, good idea? - Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:40 AM ( #8 )
Mix it up.  Choices are endless.
Pull
Cable Rows
Lat pulldowns wide grip
Lat Pulldowns Narrow grip
Shrugs
Hammer Curls

Push
Flat bench
Incline bench
Decline bench
Shoulder press
lateral raises
rear lateral raise
Tricep Pushdowns

Legs
Squats
Calf raises
Leg Extensions
Leg Curls

Do your compounds first and follow with isolation to finish the muscles off.
3-5 sets of 8 to 12 reps.  Start with a lower weight 15 rep set to warm up.
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