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Trying to bulk - Friday, May 23, 2008 6:16 PM
Hey guys I'm pretty new to lifting. Im 20 yrs old 5'11 168 lbs and I want to bulk and gain as much muscle as possible. I have been lifting for about 3 months now and havent noticed any big gains. I have a pretty decent deit and drink about two 32 gram muscle milks aday, so I'm getting plent of protein. Any tips on bulking would be greatly appreciated! I added the most recent pic I could find
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RE: Trying to bulk - Friday, May 23, 2008 6:20 PM
Heres the pic

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RE: Trying to bulk - Monday, June 09, 2008 6:15 AM
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/Master_Grocery_List_Stick__the_top/m_120408/tm.htm
 
click on this for the mastery shoppin list. now create some wholesome meals from this.
 
to bulk up, its a general rule that you need lots of carbs, and then 1/4 protein and 1/4 fat.
 
you need balanced meals. and lots of them. theres clean bulking and dirty bulking. clean is everything you make yourself, or the best natural none artificial food you can lay your hands on. dirty would be just trying to gain as much weight as possible having mcdonalds 3 times a day.
 
with any method tho, you need to be having six meals a day, to keep you matabolism going. i recomend oats in the morning with fruit. then brown rice and chicken is always a classic. you will need plently of veggies to compensate all the protein.
 
i dont fully know wat mucle milks are, but they sound pre made/expensive. most people make their own, and its whey protein.
 
i normally have one scoop before a work out with some slow digesting carbs. then after i have 2 scoops of whey and a banana, then a meal an hour later.
 
before bed, you want casein protein. it digests a lot slower and will last you all night. best thing for this is cottage cheese or milk. you can buy it, but its a waste of money for the price of them two.
 
any more questions feel free to ask. but thats how i did it.
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chest 49.5"
arms 18.5"
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RE: Trying to bulk - Monday, June 09, 2008 6:20 AM
o and to add, you workout programme. you can find plenty on here, but may i just point out, that rest is very important. and if you want to bulk, you will need a leg day.
 
e.g
monday: chest and tris
tuesday: bi's and back
wed: rest
thurs:legs
fri: shoulders
weekend off.
 
thats very simplfied tho. rest is half of the work remember. and 70% of bulking is what you eat. just to put in perspective how over working yourself, as well as burning fat.
 
plenty of water and at least 8 hours sleep to detoxify yourself.
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RE: Trying to bulk - Wednesday, July 02, 2008 5:39 AM
ooft biceps and back in the same session, burns my arms out too much, i think it does me more harm than good
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RE: Trying to bulk - Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:56 AM

ORIGINAL: zultan

o and to add, you workout programme. you can find plenty on here, but may i just point out, that rest is very important. and if you want to bulk, you will need a leg day.

e.g
monday: chest and tris
tuesday: bi's and back
wed: rest
thurs:legs
fri: shoulders
weekend off.

thats very simplfied tho. rest is half of the work remember. and 70% of bulking is what you eat. just to put in perspective how over working yourself, as well as burning fat.

plenty of water and at least 8 hours sleep to detoxify yourself.


He's been lifting for 3 months. If you're gonna prescribe anything, make it full body.

Here's the program that YOU want to do:


Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength Routine:


 
*note the dip/chin isnt in the original program

Here is a routine from Mark Rippetoe’s book called “Starting Strength”. You can buy the book at www.startingstrength.com. It includes endless useful info that all beginners should learn. But as for the program he suggests, his clients that he gives it to on AVERAGE gain 30-40 pounds in about 6 months or so which is amazing gains.

The program is as follows:

You alternate Workout A and Workout B every other day, 3 times a week. So you could either do Mon, Wed, Fri or Tues, Thurs. and Sat. Depending on what works best for you.

Example:

Week 1:

Monday - Workout A
Wednesday -Workout B
Friday - Workout A

Week 2:

Monday - Workout B
Wednesday - Workout A
Friday - Workout B

Etc.

For the actual workouts read below:

Note: This doesn’t include warm-up sets

**Means this is OPTIONAL**

Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift
**2x8 Dips (if you cant do these or no assist machine then do Decline Dumbbell Bench Press with your hands Facing each other)

Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Standing military press
3x5 Pendlay or Bent Rows (or power cleans)
**2x8 Chin-ups (recommended mainly if doing the cleans)

Assistance work:

Most people cant get it through there head that compound lifts also work your arms Plenty and always Insist on direct arm work. As quoted by Madcow2, “Don't **** with this. Every bodybuilder seems to have Attention Deficit Disorder and an overwhelming desire to customize everything.” If you are one of these people note that you have the option of doing the dips and chins which give PLENTY of arm work. Abdominal work is fine to do also if needed.

I recommend weighted decline sit-ups and/or Hanging Leg Raises at 2x8-10.

It's fine to add some assistance work such as abs, hypers, or maybe some direct biceps and triceps work, but don't overdo it. For direct arm work, 3 sets of 8 of one lift for each muscle at the end of your last workout of the week will be plenty. Your arms are getting hit hard all week on this routine, so you don't want to blast them with iso stuff as well.
(dips/chins - skullcrusher/curls)

Weight:

As for the weight, make sure that you use the SAME weight throughout the sets. For example if I do the first set if Squats with 200lbs then I do the other 2 sets of squats with 200lbs.

Every week make it a goal to increase each of your lifts by 2.5%. Meaning if I lifted 100lbs for my Bench Week 1 then Week 2 I would try for 102.5lbs. If I did 200lb Squats Week 1 I would try for 205lbs in Week 2. Sometimes you will be able to do more but don’t mess with your form just to lift more.

Warm-up Sets:

Before all your working sets it is best to do a few warm-up sets. Specifically for your first lift. You don’t have to do the whole thing for the other lifts but definitely the first.

What you do is you ramp your weight up to your working sets.

For example:

2x5xbar (sets x reps x weight)
1x5x85
1x3x125
1x2x155

And the working set weight would be 175.

If you are lifting your working sets under 150 I would cut out the 3rd warmup set of 1x5 because it wont be needed.

Rest interval

As for the rest interval, Rippetoe suggests 1-2 minutes for the worksets, with no rest needed for warmups. Typically the workout takes me about 40 minutes, a little longer then you would think when looking at it. When I add my abs in it can run to 50 or so. So as for the guy saying it should take 10, you have no idea what you are talking about.

The Lifts:

**Used references and quotes from Madcow2 and Bodybuilding.com**

Barbell Squat: These should be full range Olympic style squats. Use the full range of your body - that means as low as you can go which for almost everyone is past parallel. If the top of your thighs aren't at least parallel it's for sh!t. If you think this is bad for your knees going low, you and whoever told you that are relying on an old wives tale. Anyone who knows the human body will tell you that below parallel is MUCH safer on the knees whereas parallel and above put all the sheer right on them and doesn’t allow proper transfer of the load to the rest of your body (this is how your body was designed).

Rest a barbell on the upper portion of your back, not your neck. Firmly grip the bar with your hands almost twice your shoulder width apart. Position your feet about shoulder width apart and your toes should be pointing just a little outward with your knees in the same direction. Keep your back as straight as possible and your chin up, bend your knees and slowly lower your hips straight down until your THIGHS ARE AT LEAST PARALLEL TO THE FLOOR. Once you reach the bottom position, press the weight up back to the starting position.

To be honest ATG (Ass to the Grass) squats work the best IMO. What you do is you go ALL the way down until your hamstrings touch your calves and keep the same Olympic squat form.

Barbell Deadlift: Each rep is deweighted fully on the floor. No touch and go. This is called the 'dead'lift because the weight is 'dead' on the ground. You can touch and go warm ups but that's it.

Flat Barbell Bench Press: Lie on a flat bench and firmly position your feet flat on the floor a little more than shoulder width apart. Keep your back flat on the bench! Using a grip broader than shoulder width, hold the barbell above your body, then lower slowly to the middle of your chest. Without bouncing the weight off your chest, drive the barbell up over the middle of your chest until your arms are straight and your elbows are locked. Lower the bar down slowly.

Standing Barbell Military Press: Standing overhead presses. Supporting weight overhead is a fundamental exercise and stimulates the whole body.
Raise barbell to your chest with your hands shoulder width apart. Lock your legs and hips. Keep your elbows in, slightly under your bar. Press bar to arm's length overhead. Lower to your upper chest or chin (depending on what is comfortable).

Bent Barbell Row: Slighly bend the knee's and keeping the back straight lean forward until the body is horizontal with the floor.  Grab the bar with a slightly wider than shoulder width grip, both pronated or supinated grip will work. keeping the back straight raise the BB up slightly below the chest, hold for 1 or 2 seconds and then return to the hanging position and repeat.

You could also do Pendlay Rows which IMO are also better.

Power Clean: This is also a very complicated exercise so here is bodybuilding.com’s detailed instructions on this lift.

Chin-Up: Hold the chin-up bar with a supinated grip (palms facing you) with your hands about 6 to 8 inches apart. Pull yourself up and try to touch either your chin or upper chest to the bar. Return slowly to the starting position. Do NOT swing back and forth! Using this grip works more of your biceps than your back or lats.

Dip: Using the parallel bars, grip the handles and push yourself up to your starting position. With elbows close to body and hips straight, lower body until shoulders are slightly stretched. Push body up in same posture and repeat. You can bend and cross your legs or keep them straight.

The Diet:

If you are bulking, which is what people usually do on this program, you need to be eating like there is no tomorrow. 3000-4000 calories a day. Make sure you get 1 to 2 x your bodyweight in protein (in grams) and more than that in carbs. Mark Rippetoe also suggests that you drink up to a gallon of milk a day and plenty of water.

Your bulk could be clean but its hard to do so. I suggest just going all out and getting any protein you can get your hands on. For example lean grilled chicken and egg whites is best but if you want to gain that muscle fast then ground beef, steaks, whole eggs, cheeses etc is great. Eat a lot of oats, pasta, wheat bread, yogurt, cottage cheese, tuna, etc.

Make sure you get a huge breakfast. Mark recommends 4 huge meals a day with breakfast being the largest. Make sure all your meals have plenty of both carbs and protein! Also look into getting a PWO shake for post workout to get some carbs DIRECTLY into your system when your done lifting. Then an hour later eat a meal. Its also good to eat a snack before bed. Just remember to get big you need to eat big because eating is 90% of your muscle gains.

It'll be easy at first, but it gets harder. Add weight to every workout.

http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/3_DAY_FULL_BODY/m_303404/tm.htm

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RE: Trying to bulk - Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:49 PM

ORIGINAL: cmccarty88

I have a pretty decent deit and drink about two 32 gram muscle milks aday, so I'm getting plent of protein.

 
Your gonna need ALOT more protien than that. For your weight your should aim for about 160-200g a day
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RE: Trying to bulk - Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:56 PM

ORIGINAL: cmccarty88

Hey guys I'm pretty new to lifting. Im 20 yrs old 5'11 168 lbs and I want to bulk and gain as much muscle as possible. I have been lifting for about 3 months now and havent noticed any big gains. I have a pretty decent deit and drink about two 32 gram muscle milks aday, so I'm getting plent of protein. Any tips on bulking would be greatly appreciated! I added the most recent pic I could find


just eat. eat. eat.

you need to eat alot if you want to bulk. 

pick up  a weight gainer.

get a better routine.

hit the weights hard

eat like a champion
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RE: Trying to bulk - Wednesday, August 06, 2008 3:14 AM
HEY GUYS IM NEW TO THIS BUT IM 15 AND IM TYRING TO NOT ONLY GET A GOOD LOOKING CHEST BUT GET ABBS TO  i do A GOOD 50CRUNCHES 1MINUTE BICYCLES AND I LIFT 12POUND BUMBELLS FOR MORE REPS but im not seeing any progression im fit  i have a 6pack but there not cut and ripped and i have stength but no triceps or arm muscles heres a pic of me and usually i have to flex to actually see my ful abbs i have two pictures here

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RE: Trying to bulk - Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:05 AM
youngin14


HEY GUYS IM NEW TO THIS BUT IM 15 AND IM TYRING TO NOT ONLY GET A GOOD LOOKING CHEST BUT GET ABBS TO  i do A GOOD 50CRUNCHES 1MINUTE BICYCLES AND I LIFT 12POUND BUMBELLS FOR MORE REPS but im not seeing any progression im fit  i have a 6pack but there not cut and ripped and i have stength but no triceps or arm muscles heres a pic of me and usually i have to flex to actually see my ful abbs i have two pictures here



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