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Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/2/2005 3:33:49 AM
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SoCool
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Now that pro hormones seem to be band in britain, would Tribulus and 6OXO be the next best thing. Also 6oxo is f expensive, is there a cheaper alternative to 6oxo?
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/2/2005 10:21:33 AM
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hmmm I'd say don't use anything that would required 6 OXO !!
And why would you use 6OXO after tribulus ? Tribulus is not a PH.
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/2/2005 10:30:33 AM
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Tribulus dosage in the mornings to boost test levels, 6oxo dosage in the nights to minimize estrogen levels (your levels are higher at night).
That in theory works.
How effective is it?- not very effective.
Is it worth your money?- No, you may as well go buy some creatine.
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/2/2005 1:35:43 PM
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Trib is for us old guys. 6-oxo is used to stabilize estrogen levels, normally after a PH/Steriod cycle.\
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/3/2005 4:47:02 AM
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SoCool
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What about Tribulos on its own, is it worth taking at all, I have never tried it. and what about all these other things by Biotest like Red Kat etc.
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/3/2005 7:34:25 AM
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How about ZMA? Are there any effects in taking ZMA?
Shouldnt be bad right?
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/3/2005 10:37:34 AM
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tribulus is used during a cycle to decrease the chances of your dick shrinking up...6oxo can be used as a boost, or for pct...but neither are worth it.....
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/3/2005 12:26:52 PM
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Hey Socool / Mindfreak
I’m not an expert on supps but I have taken Trib and ZMA for a few years and I take Trib for maintenance.
Tribulus Terrestris is a testosterone enhancer, normally taken by people over the age of 25-30, because testosterone levels decrease with age. If your below that age I don’t think you really need to take Trib unless you feel your libido is off kilter, otherwise I really don’t think it will help you anabolically. If you do take Trib make sure you take a good product, one that contains Bulgarian Tribulus.
As for ZMA, never heard of any bad affects by taking ZMA. Again, I don’t think it will help you anabolically during workouts. However, when you sleep deep, that’s where the anabolic aspect may come into play, because when one sleeps well that’s when your muscles recover and repair themselves. I take ZMA when I fail to sleep well. Although I only require 5-7hrs.sleep, by taking ZMA it feels as though I’ve slept for 8-10 hrs.and awake fully rested. In addition, my dreams are wild and vivid in color. Something I don’t experience in normal sleep dreams and not only that, but in my ZMA dreams I see faces of people; whereas, in my normal dreams I do not. Weird.
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/3/2005 2:42:35 PM
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If you are below 25, tribulus alone is pretty useless. I say you forget about it and just use creatine. If you really must, try the tribulus and you'll see how it doesnt help, then you'll be enlightened :)
I happen yo have Formadrol V2 on me for when i was thinking about using M1T but since i changed my mind and sold the M1T i didnt know what to do with the formadrol.
I'm thinking i'll stack it with trib and creatine, should give SOME size eh. If anything, i'll have good sex.
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/3/2005 7:32:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: Nic
hmmm I'd say don't use anything that would required 6 OXO !!
And why would you use 6OXO after tribulus ? Tribulus is not a PH.
Forget about that.. AI products like rebound XT, Novedex XT, Ultra hot, 6-oxo, etc, dont just inhibit aromatase; they also increase test and free test production as well. IF you dont believe me, just search out some bloodtests, done before and after the cycling of any of these products.. They are Very effectve test boosters in their own right.
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/4/2005 2:46:12 AM
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Im 21 and Im taking ZMA.
Is it ok to take it?
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/5/2005 7:02:25 AM
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Thanks for all the replys, by the way I am nearly 30 and my sex drive has almost gone. If 6oxo does increase testosterone and so does tribulous by a significant amount then maybe it is worth taking the two, but not if the testosterone prduced is 100 times less than steroids or something like that because that would be a pointless waste of money. Ive heard that tribulous also stimulates estrogen production, thats why I thought of the 6oxo, has anyone esle heard about this.
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/5/2005 8:35:49 AM
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Nic
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I knew I had done something on tribulus and 6OXO before.
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/6/2005 6:21:07 AM
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#15 Do you feel any different from taking all that stuff?
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/6/2005 1:09:41 PM
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Tribulus does NOT increase testosterone.
J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Jun 30; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links
The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.
Neychev VK, Mitev VI.
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria.
OBJECTIVE:: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS:: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS:: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.
One is MUCH better off taking 6-OXO, which is a potent aromatase inhibitor and testosterone enhancer.
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/6/2005 1:24:30 PM
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Blitzseth
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An how about formadrol V2?
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/7/2005 8:43:14 AM
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SoCool
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#17 That is Tribulus terrestris though, according to reflex only Bulgarian Tribulus has any affect on testosterone production.
"Like most people you may have assumed that ordinary Tribulus terrestris (standardised extracts usually contain 40-50% saponins), would provide you with all the benefits associated with Bulgarian Tribulus. That's a major problem because ordinary Tribulus terrestris is not the same thing ... not even close. Tribulus terrestris is a herbal plant that grows all over the world. Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestris is different though. It is the only Tribulus Terrestris that is standardised to contain Protodioscin. This steroidal plant saponin is directly responsible for the Testosterone boosting effects seen in clinical studies; the Tribulus used in these studies have nearly always been of Bulgarian origin. So if in the past you've tried a Tribulus product without the results you expected you now know why, it probably wasn't Bulgarian Tribulus."
The only reason I chose tribulus is because I have heard it boosts testosterone and is still legal. If there is a stronger natural test booster then I want to hear about it and I will take that instead.
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RE: Tribulus & 6OXO - 7/7/2005 1:08:16 PM
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Sir Savage
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That study was done in Bulgaria. I seriously doubt they imported tribulus from somewhere else.
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