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jenng

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Training for strength vs size - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:59 PM
Forgive me if these questions are dumb, but is there a way to train for strength but not necessarily size? I am just thinking ahead. So far, I seem to be one of those genetically gifted people who gains muscle easily. I am amazed at how much muscle growth I have seen, even while cutting. But as long as the net result is that I am getting smaller overall, I am happy.

But eventually I am not going to want to get bigger. I do want to get stronger though. Is there a way to train that focuses on strength over mass, or do they always have to go together?

I am only asking here because I know I will not get the standard - light weights, reps to infinity answers like this:


"A 'meso' female may gain muscle mass easily but not want big shoulders, so we would focus on staying away from lifting heavy weights for 8 to 12 repetitions and work more with lighter weights in the 15- to 20-rep range."
Ick.

Or does it all depend on diet? Or should I just shut up, stop thinking ahead and lift heavy because I will not grow like this forever? How long do the newbie gains last anyway?
slayerboy

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RE: Training for strength vs size - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:21 PM
Thee are a lot of ways that you can workout that focus more on strength than size. Supersets done in a certain way will promote strength over size, but some ways will promote both.

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Actually...after reading over the article again, Ive discovered I am a bumbling idiot. But I will still leave it up because it's the OPPOSITE of what you want to do...LOL.
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This link should provide everything you need to know. I got this from a recent newsletter I subscribe to. It's not the same one, but the article is the same. Very imformative.
< Message edited by slayerboy -- 4/27/2004 7:24:41 PM >
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RE: Training for strength vs size - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:18 PM
Strength = cross-section of the muscle fibers.

That means that usually the bigger your muscles get, the stronger they become. There is something called strength training. That is getting stronger quickly with no concerns about muscle size. It is associated with fast-twitch muscle fibers. That's what I do. I weigh around 155lbs and have stayed that same weight for the past 7 months, but my strength has more than doubled in some areas. I do 4-5 sets of 3-6 reps. And I increase the weight each set. I also increase the weight each week (ex. 100lbs bench in week 1, 110lbs bench in week 2). I have found that strength training takes a lot of mind effort. You have to believe that you can push the weight, and do it.
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RE: Training for strength vs size - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:56 PM
If you really don't want to get bigger, you would want to stay with triples. Something like 5-7sets of 3 reps. Start out with moderate weight that you can fairly easily do three reps with. Each week add 5-10lbs(sometimes more) depending on your strength level.

The sets would increase from your first set to your last set.

Here's an example of a progression:
170x3
180x3
190x3
200x3
215x3
225x3

Add weight to all of the sets for next weeks workout.
"Z Last Book You'll Ever Need On Strength Training"
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What Bill Kazmaier had to say:
“This book will give you all you need to plan yourquest for greater strength. Follow the guidelines of proven trainingmethodology a
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RE: Training for strength vs size - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:16 PM
Are you sure Big Boss? I always thought it was 6 reps, not 3.
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RE: Training for strength vs size - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:37 PM
Using 6 rep sets will get you strong, but you are pushing the limits bordering hypertrophy.

I prefer to use 5 rep, 3 rep and 1 rep sets for strength training. Of course there are ecceptions like strength endurance and such. For adding size, I also add a few sets after the "strength" sets with 8-15 reps.
"Z Last Book You'll Ever Need On Strength Training"
by Todd E. Bostrom
What Bill Kazmaier had to say:
“This book will give you all you need to plan yourquest for greater strength. Follow the guidelines of proven trainingmethodology a
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RE: Training for strength vs size - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:33 PM
Okay, I see. I play football, so I want some strength endurance, too.

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