Training to failure!?

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Training to failure!? - Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:20 AM ( #1 )
Is it really necessary to train to failure? I'm always reading conflicting opinions about whether or not to train to absolute failure. I read in a T-nation article that training to failure can be really destructive to your nervous system, and that to near failure would actually induce more growth. In this article it lists a full body 8 week training cycle and says, in terms of load, to use a weight that trains you to failure on the last rep of the last set.

Why not follow those parameters? Because wouldn't training to failure each set just destroy your atp stores and make you overly fatigued without further gain?
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Re:Training to failure!? - Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:43 AM ( #2 )
training to failure every time is bad, leads to over reaching and kills progression and gains.

The goal in training is progression, simply inflicting micro damage is all you need.

it is a tool that can be used, but not every single time your at the gym.
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Re:Training to failure!? - Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:43 PM ( #3 )
Training to failure every so often is fine, and often needed to progress. But frequently training to failure is your nervous system giving you a redlight, I wouldn't recommend it.
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Re:Training to failure!? - Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:49 PM ( #4 )
I too have read about always training to failure, but progression makes more sense to me.  With constant failure would the body eventually shut down, putting up the white flag of surrender?
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Re:Training to failure!? - Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:37 PM ( #5 )
Been going to all out failure once a week on my calisthenics, based on my log, it has not hindered my performance. About a year or two ago I would go to failure often and I got nowhere with it, but that is still with calisthenics, I can't comment on how failure affects weight lifting.

Maybe read into synaptic facilitation, idea is you can do more work in the day if don't burn out. Burning out or training to failure supposedly forces you to scale back whatever it is you are doing.

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Re:Training to failure!? - Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:41 PM ( #6 )
correct me if im wrong MVP, but doesnt your westside you are doing have some training until failture in it or is it okay as long as it isnt every single exercise?
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Re:Training to failure!? - Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:02 PM ( #7 )
its a useful tool to use as long as your using it the right way.

training to failure every single exercise, every single workout is not the right way.
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Re:Training to failure!? - Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:07 PM ( #8 )
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correct me if im wrong MVP, but doesnt your westside you are doing have some training until failture in it or is it okay as long as it isnt every single exercise?


I cycle repetition effort days. Meaning 3X15 with whatever poundage one Friday, then the next Friday test my reps with 185, 135, or 225. That is training to failure but it is only a tool and not used every workout.
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