Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need lots of experienced wise advice
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Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need lot... - 10/7/2004 7:38:18 AM
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XXXRicanXXX
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I'm 25 6'0" 235 and looking into the prohormone thing. I feel that my hormones have really decresed since I worked out when I was 18. My questions are...
1) what are good PH's to start with with minimal side effects?
2) will I keep these gains if I stop after my first cycle?
3) How do I prevent side effects?
4) When on PH's can I hit the weights harder than normal and make gains faster?
5) are certain brands better than others?
6) can I stack other supplements with PH's?
Any other info you guys want to throw in would be great. I read a lot of the FAQ's and the "what are prohormones" threads and I guess I just didn't see exactly what I was looking for. I mainly want as little side effects as possible.
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/7/2004 9:18:59 PM
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Marc David
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1) 1-AD stacked with 4-AD followed by a 4-6 week cycle of 6-OXO
2) You'll keep most. But not all. You are boosting your testosterone chemically beyond the norm. Once you go back down, you might lose some but you will keep a majority. As long as you continue to workout hard.
3) By keeping your cycle shorter when starting out. And sticking with products that have been on the market a long time. And have tons of reviews.
4) Yes.
5) Yes. Ergopharm is a brand name that most people who start out seem to trust. There are lots and lots of copy cats that might be just as good. But I personally would go with a product that gets talked a lot about and gets good reviews.
6) Yes. Like creatine, fish oils and such. I just wouldn't be on a cut diet or use fat loss supplements while on PHs.
Stick with the recommended doses until you get a feel for what's going on. Follow directions. Keep reading and learning about prohormones. Start off with the basics and then you can manipulate later as necessary. The best way to avoid side effects is not to introduce too much change too fast without the proper post prohormone therapy.
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/8/2004 12:56:14 PM
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1) 1-AD stacked with 4-AD followed by a 4-6 week cycle of 6-OXO
2) You'll keep most. But not all. You are boosting your testosterone chemically beyond the norm. Once you go back down, you might lose some but you will keep a majority. As long as you continue to workout hard.
3) By keeping your cycle shorter when starting out. And sticking with products that have been on the market a long time. And have tons of reviews.
4) Yes.
5) Yes. Ergopharm is a brand name that most people who start out seem to trust. There are lots and lots of copy cats that might be just as good. But I personally would go with a product that gets talked a lot about and gets good reviews.
6) Yes. Like creatine, fish oils and such. I just wouldn't be on a cut diet or use fat loss supplements while on PHs.
Stick with the recommended doses until you get a feel for what's going on. Follow directions. Keep reading and learning about prohormones. Start off with the basics and then you can manipulate later as necessary. The best way to avoid side effects is not to introduce too much change too fast without the proper post prohormone therapy.
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/8/2004 1:38:25 PM
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XXXRicanXXX
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well I guess that's exactly what I needed. Now to get it and put it to good use. I can't seem to find the brand of 4ad you suggested online, can you direct me?
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/8/2004 4:23:05 PM
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4ad by ergopharm
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/10/2004 3:18:46 PM
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Hey XXX,
I believe what you are looking for is http://www.ergopharm.com/?productID=3
I think the name 4-AD comes from the name of the ingredient.. 4-Diol, that's why you may have had a hard time finding it. Same thing like 1-AD is 1-Testosterone... somebody may want to conform all that, as I am not 100%.
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/10/2004 8:34:09 PM
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XXXRicanXXX
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ahh OK thanks alot!!!!
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/12/2004 8:21:24 PM
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XXXRicanXXX
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how many bottles of this stuff do I need for a 4-6 week cycle? And about 6-oxo how many bottles of that do I use to return my levels to normal. Also how long should I wait before I stack these again?
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/14/2004 11:52:57 AM
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nickflnj
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Keep the info on this stack coming. I'm thinking of doing it myself eventually. Anyone that's done it, please post a review!!
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/17/2004 11:37:24 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: XXXRicanXXX
how many bottles of this stuff do I need for a 4-6 week cycle? And about 6-oxo how many bottles of that do I use to return my levels to normal. Also how long should I wait before I stack these again?
Could someone answer this?
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/29/2004 5:25:05 PM
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lifter13
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i believe to take a 4-6 week cycle one should have 2 or 3 bottles of 1ad depending on how much you take per day and at the end of the cycle have one bottle of 6oxo.
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/29/2004 9:17:21 PM
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thanks
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/29/2004 9:28:50 PM
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Usually 2 bottles.
4AD is now illegal to ship or sell in CA. So that is why some of us can't seem to find it. (At least that is what I heard and seem to find in my searches)
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/30/2004 8:09:18 AM
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Crap I better try to put in some extra hours so I can buy this stuff fast. I really want to give it a shot to see if it gives me a little boost. Whether it be in strength, size, or self esteem.
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/30/2004 9:22:45 AM
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i don't get why they are banning these prohormones if you want to keep teens from abusing their bodies the government should focus more on drugs that realy get you messed up like crack and heroin as far as i see only people who want to look better and exercise take prohormones and therefore this law only makes the people who want to have a better body suffer...
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/30/2004 9:31:10 AM
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THANK YOU!!!!!!
I can't begin to tell you how much I support that feeling. I wrote a rant about ephedra somewhere on here that said about the same thing. Alcohol, cigarettes, and other drugs....why aren't they doing more about these. If someone wants to use pro hormones or supplements it effects only that person using them. If someone smokes it effects everyone around that person. Yet they are bannging prohormones and supplements!!??!?!??! Where are the priorities?
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RE: Thinking of starting a cycle of Prohormones....Need... - 10/30/2004 9:36:58 AM
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Your government has already taken steps to protect teens from abusing their bodies with drugs. It's called making them illegal and launching 1000 campaigns to educate. Along with the War on Drugs campaigns. You can see how effective that has been. And smoking campaigns. And drinking and driving.
Ephedra and Pro-Hormones will get banned because the FDA has been after them for years. This isn't something the FDA just started a week ago. It's been on their hit list *forever*
Anything with such risks and side effects will eventually get the attention of some agency. Ephedra had some 155 deaths related to it. Which is very small. But nonetheless, the few who died from mis-use or some odd side effect, now it's banned for the rest of us. Same goes for pro-hormones. A few kids O.D. and blame their supps and over time, with investigations and what have you, it makes the banned substance list.
Steroids had side effects. But it was the mainstream use and abuse that got them banned.
It's apparent that you cannot put really potent products in the hands of general consumers. It only takes a few to ruin it for the many.
How many teens read up on pro-hormones and really get the facts? How many more just see their buds get big and they go out grab a bottle. And how many more think that if 3 pills a day, then 12 must be hella good?
Far too many I fear. And so the few that cannot follow directions, and have some freakish medical case take us all down.
And with anything really (except maybe water) somebody is going to have some reaction. But it's the big cases, the ones that get the attention that determine the outcomes.
I don't think pro-hormones should be banned. But I also think anybody under 21 shouldn't purchase them.
There are age limits for many things where a certain degree of responsibility must exist:
Smoking
Drinking
Driving
Voting
Leaving your parent's house
Leaving school
Pro-hormones are *NOT* risk free. It should take an informed, adult decision to make them. Not somebody who doesn't even have a driver's license.
But this isn't how such things work in the FDA. They see the issue. They start working slowly like any big company.... and 10 years later it gets banned for the masses.
I think there are many valuable reasons to try the supp. I think it has boosted some people's gains. I think there are many responsible adults who take them. And I don't think it's a dangerous substance for the entire population. But I don't see any value for teens to take them. And with a government agency, they see that and so it just gets banned across the board.
If pro-hormone companies had the backing and money of alcohol or smoking companies, you would see a different outcome. But they are *tiny* in comparison. So they just get shut-down and the stuff goes underground.
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