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Thinking about taking a couple cycles..........(Newbie) - 5/20/2006 8:30:29 PM
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THE_BOSS
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Hello All,
I'm in my mid 20's, 5'10, 190 lbs. I have never really hit the weights hard just a couple weeks here and there with friends over the years. I am now thinking of a life change since I am about 50+ pounds over weight and would like to have some muscle to show off instead of a belly. I have looked into buying a Bow flex Ultimate 2 or the new Bow flex Revolution for my work out equipment. I have also briefly looked into meal replacements, supplements, and over all enhancing and helping "tools" to receive the outcome I am looking for along with steroids. My questions are these,
1) What do you all think of either of the two Bow Flex's?
a) If you don't like them what do you recommend?
2) What supplements, meal replacements and other enhancers do you recommend?
3) What do you think of steroids?
a) What should I look into or take?
b) What should I stay away from?
c) How long should I wait into my "training"?
d) How many cycles/weeks should I take them?
Thanks for your time,
THE BOSS
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RE: Thinking about taking a couple cycles..........(New... - 5/20/2006 8:41:55 PM
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95gtdriver
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ORIGINAL: THE_BOSS
Hello All,
I'm in my mid 20's, 5'10, 190 lbs. I have never really hit the weights hard just a couple weeks here and there with friends over the years. I am now thinking of a life change since I am about 50+ pounds over weight and would like to have some muscle to show off instead of a belly. I have looked into buying a Bow flex Ultimate 2 or the new Bow flex Revolution for my work out equipment. I have also briefly looked into meal replacements, supplements, and over all enhancing and helping "tools" to receive the outcome I am looking for along with steroids. My questions are these,
1) What do you all think of either of the two Bow Flex's?
a) If you don't like them what do you recommend?
2) What supplements, meal replacements and other enhancers do you recommend?
3) What do you think of steroids?
a) What should I look into or take?
b) What should I stay away from?
c) How long should I wait into my "training"?
d) How many cycles/weeks should I take them?
Thanks for your time,
THE BOSS
cant help you with the bowflex thing, but i do know most of the really serious guys go to a gym rather than use one of those, but whatever. However I do know a little about supplements and steriods, my advice would be to worry about nutrition first! get a good exercise and nutrition plan. worry only about that for a while like 6 months +. I would get a decent protein shake though for post work out. I like the 100% optimum whey myself.
Just remeber there are many big and cut guys out there that have never used steriods. You dont need steriods.
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RE: Thinking about taking a couple cycles..........(New... - 5/20/2006 11:20:28 PM
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niceone
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The Blowflex is alright, but free weights are where it is at. You cannot apply the same stress and work your core with the blowflex the way you can with good old iron.
In terms of roiding.. I wouldnt even consider touching them unless you have reached your potential or have at least been lifting for a while. Also, Roids are a serious thing. They are not something you just try out like a new whey. This is playing with your test, and if you dont know the rules you will end up messing yourself up (gyno...worse..). I strongly urge you to reconsider taking steroids untill/unless you reach a point where you need them to get to a 'next level'.
95gtdriver is bang on.. Focus on nutrition and lifting for now.
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RE: Thinking about taking a couple cycles..........(New... - 5/21/2006 5:01:21 AM
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I third 95gtdriver.
In the end, do you really want your gains to come through a needle? In any case, they are something that you shouldn't even think of considering until you have some serious progress and experience. IMNSHO.
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RE: Thinking about taking a couple cycles..........(New... - 5/21/2006 9:38:18 AM
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THE_BOSS
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Could anyone give name/brands of supplements and meal replacements? If I was going to take steroids, what one(s) should I stay away from and what should I research and look into?
Thanks,
THE BOSS
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RE: Thinking about taking a couple cycles..........(New... - 5/21/2006 10:05:18 AM
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HEARTS
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Could anyone give name/brands of supplements and meal replacements? If I was going to take steroids, what one(s) should I stay away from and what should I research and look into?
Thanks,
THE BOSS
I don't think you paid much attention to what they said. STAY AWAY FROM THE ROIDS! Sure you might get big, but whatever girls go with you because they like the way you look will find a nice impotent tool. You might even get really lucky and go bald, get brain cancer, and then have kidney failure.
As far as supplements go theya ren't going to help you until you get your diet and workuts going good. I'd reccoment at least lifting and eating right for about a year or at least 6 months before worrry ing about supplements.
I would also go buy some free weights. you can do a lot more with them, and they are much cheaper. They also hit all the stabilizer muscles. People were getting big for years useeing iron.
Once again don't do roids. Once people find out your on them they won't care how big you are they still know your fake. Unless you manage to get to be about 250 lbs and 4% bf.
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RE: Thinking about taking a couple cycles..........(New... - 5/21/2006 11:41:10 AM
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THE_BOSS
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ORIGINAL: THE_BOSS
Thanks for the replies guys.
Could anyone give name/brands of supplements and meal replacements? If I was going to take steroids, what one(s) should I stay away from and what should I research and look into?
Thanks,
THE BOSS
I don't think you paid much attention to what they said. STAY AWAY FROM THE ROIDS! Sure you might get big, but whatever girls go with you because they like the way you look will find a nice impotent tool. You might even get really lucky and go bald, get brain cancer, and then have kidney failure.
As far as supplements go the ya rent going to help you until you get your diet and workouts going good. I'd reccoment at least lifting and eating right for about a year or at least 6 months before worrry ing about supplements.
I would also go buy some free weights. you can do a lot more with them, and they are much cheaper. They also hit all the stabilizer muscles. People were getting big for years useeing iron.
Once again don't do roids. Once people find out your on them they won't care how big you are they still know your fake. Unless you manage to get to be about 250 lbs and 4% bf.
Did you pay attention to what I said? I didn't ask anyone if I should or shouldn't take steroids, what I asked for was opinions. I am asking for information so I can do my research and make an educated decision. I also asked what everyone recommends as far as meal replacements and supplements are concerned. You should really slow down, read what I wrote, and reply accordingly. My goal is not to be the cool guy with the big muscles. I don't want to be huge, I just want results fast.
Thanks for your amusing response,
If anyone else would like to read my post first, and reply that would be great.
Thanks again everyone,
THE BOSS
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RE: Thinking about taking a couple cycles..........(New... - 5/21/2006 1:19:06 PM
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cpl
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If anyone else would like to read my post first, and reply that would be great.
Believe me, they have read your post and replied accordingly. There are countless years of experience contained in the replies you'll get here, and if they didn't give you the answer you're looking for, it's for good reason. While I'm quite sure someone might be able to point you in the direction you're looking for, it'd be a very good idea to also listen to what everyone has said so far. They're all valid responses to what you asked, in their own way- When you ask a question on these forums, people can feel free to jump in with their opinions and advice, especially if it's good advice.
Here's my personal response- And believe me, whether you end up taking roids or not, this is a very basic place you'll have to start at. All the supps and enhancers in the world won't get you the kind of results this advice will.
First, you need to find out how many calories a day your body needs in order to reach your goals. Without the necessary building blocks for muscle, your body simply can't grow it- So you have to make sure you're supplying your body with enough calories from the right sources. Supps are designed to work best when you're already eating the way you should be- They'll give you an added edge to your diet, when your diet's already dialed in right. So- First stop for you should be the top of the nutrition forum, look for the post about calorie calculators. Find out, using your own info, how many calories your body currently needs. To add muscle, add three to five hundred calories a day. To lose fat, minus the same amount. For someone who's got that much extra weight, you shouldn't have a problem dropping some fat AND building muscle at the same time with the right nutrition- Within the first few months, you should see amazing results from eating right and exercising, and this is where using your head comes in- Get your system used to a nice diet and training program first. Find out how your body responds to that- And then, worry about supps and other stuff. If you start out spending all this money on all kinds of supps at the same time, it'd be impossible for you to tell what's working for you and what's not. Creatine, for example, doesn't seem to work at all for quite a few people- But others swear by it. So, if you start out with a good diet AND creatine at the same time, the gains you'll see could just be coming from your changes in diet and exercise. You could be wasting your money on the creatine for no good reason. See what I'm saying?
As far as the Bowflex goes- It's a good machine, you'll see results from it- But freeweights are always better. They use a lot more stabilizer muscles to handle the weight, and you can also do exercises with freeweights that don't translate well to the bowflex, such as deadlifts- Which is an excellent muscle/strength builder.
So, bottom line- If you want advice, you came to the right place. If you want advice that fits neatly into what you want to do, you won't always get that here- You'll always get honest answers from people who know from experience that patience and dedication pay off more in the long run than trying to find the fast way out. Believe me, if you stick with a good diet and training routine, the results will come faster than you think.
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RE: Thinking about taking a couple cycles..........(New... - 5/21/2006 4:18:09 PM
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THE_BOSS
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Very well said. Although I would still like answers to my question, I now understand the answers to my questions are different depending on who's asking them. So with that being said, can you give me a basic workout routine that I could follow Monday-Friday?
I have access to my buddies weights and he has a basic bench and curl bar. How much should I start lifting? How many reps should I do? How long should I rest the first couple of times?
Thanks,
THE BOSS
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RE: Thinking about taking a couple cycles..........(New... - 5/21/2006 10:35:36 PM
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cpl
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Glad to hear it- Trust me, even though you could very easily get the info you want on roids, it's always better to start without them and see what your body's actually capable of without them. As I said in my other post, I actually feel the same way about supps- It's just smarter to start without them and then add them later as needed to see how they work. By the time you're done with getting your diet right and adding supps, you'll probably realize you don't need to mess with anything else anyway. The goal here is not only to get in damn good shape, but it's also about living healthy without possible side effects down the road.
On to the routine- Start out with something basic, working each muscle group once a week. You might think it's better to work out more than that, but muscle takes time for your body to build- And your body builds muscle while it's at rest, not while it's in the gym. I've been working each muscle group once a week for years, and had excellent results from it.
To start out, I'd recommend something like this-
Monday- Chest
Flat bench, incline bench, decline bench
Tuesday- Legs
Leg extensions, leg curls, calf raises**
Wednesday- Shoulders
Standing military presses, side lateral raises, shrugs
Thursday- Back
Deadlifts, bent over rows, pullups
Friday- Arms
Standing barbell curls, alternating dumbbell curls, reverse curls
Close grip bench press, skullcrushers, triceps pressdowns
Sat/Sun- Off.
Or, if you want to work out just three days a week, you can hit two muscle groups each day, like this-
Monday- Chest and back
Wednesday- Legs and shoulders
Friday- Arms
And add in an ab workout wherever you like.
For each muscle group, do a simple warmup- Two sets of ten with a really light weight. Then, for each exercise, do three sets, say, eight to ten reps for now. Rest for two minutes between each set.
When it comes to how much weight you should use, that's entirely up to your body- No one can tell how much you should be able to lift, since everyone's different. The way you know you're lifting the right amount of weight is like this- If your rep range is eight to ten, you should use a weight you can lift with good form for ten reps on your first set. If your arms start shaking a little, or your body starts shifting to lift that tenth rep, you know you've got the right amount. As soon as your form starts to suffer, your set's over- Don't try to get out more reps, you've already done the work. Lifting with poor form can lead to injury anyway.
Once you've found the amount of weight that has you stopping at ten reps on your first set, use that same amount of weight for the next two sets of the exercise. By the time you're on your third set, you might only be able to lift it eight or nine times- But you're still within your rep range, and you've challenged your muscles with a nice amount of weight throughout all your sets. It might take some time to figure out how much weight you should be lifting for each of these exercises, but it'll pay off before you know it. In the first few weeks, you'll notice big strength gains in most, if not all, of your lifts- This is because your body will be learning how to use the muscle it already has, adapting itself to the new routine. Then, over the coming weeks, you'll start to notice new muscle developing. It normally takes three or four months to have noticable gains- But all of a sudden, you'll find yourself standing in front of a mirror amazed at your own progress. It's normally at about three or four months that you'll also start to hear other people commenting on your new muscles.
**I understand you have limited equipment- One thing you should know is that a real leg workout can't really be done on a standard bench. There are three major movements that are best for overall muscle development- The freeweight squat, the deadlift and the bench press, and their effectiveness is in exactly that order. For the best possible results, it'd be a good idea to find a way to get in a good squat workout, which would look something like this-
Squats, stiff leg deadlifts, calf raises.
You don't need any special equipment to do the stiff leg deadlifts, but the reason I don't recommend you do them unless you're doing squats is simple- They will build your hamstrings a lot better and stronger than leg extensions will build your quads, and if you end up with a strength imbalance between your hamstrings and quads, it could lead to knee problems. So, if you can find a way to safely do squats, it'll be better for you in the long run- They work the entire body like no other exercise out there, even though they target the legs most.
Anyway, hope this helps, let us know if you have any questions about this or anything else.
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