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So the worst that could happen is wasting my money?
 
No adverse side effects that could make me kill myself 10 years younger right? lol.
 
I can live with wasted money, i dont want to damage my health thats all im worried about lol.

Nope.
 
"No significant adverse effects have been noted in any of the clinical trials or human research studies of tribulus. "

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Hmmm i'll try the supplement out then, grantoiz said he had major strength boosts with it and both his cycles got him out of plateus within weeks with the same training.
 
If it has no adverse effects then i'll just try it out, and il report back.
I wasnt expecting anything miraculous anyway, creatine was hyped up and when i cycled it years ago now i thought it was a magic non steroidal supplement, i now know its actually severely overhyped, and yes it does yield results, but nothing miraculous.
 
 
And its time to whack out a nice bicep workout and somehow lat workout at home, il do some raises and try some other stuff out lol

Well that 30 mins went quick LOL.
 
exercise 1:dumbell curl
33lbs x 10
33lbs x 10
33lbs x 8
33lbs x 8
 
exercise 2:Hammer curl (hammer time!)
33lbs x 10
45lbs x 10
45lbs x 8
45lbs x 8
 
exercise 3:Lateral raises
15lbs x 10
15lbs x 10
15lbs x 10
15lbs x 10
 
 
Each exercise had 30 secs rest after each set

It is irritating when people change up everything, train like an animal and then also take a supplement and credit the supplement with their success!
 
But if the supplement did nothing they blame themselves!

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Just to join in, the creatine mono I have purchased have definetely made no difference in strength I believe for me. I'm actually off it for 1 month now before I go back on. When I finish, I'm not purchasing anymore. I didn't gain any water weight whatsoever so I guess I'm one of those non-responders. 

ORIGINAL: vdk_au
Just to join in, the creatine mono I have purchased have definetely made no difference in strength I believe for me. I'm actually off it for 1 month now before I go back on. When I finish, I'm not purchasing anymore. I didn't gain any water weight whatsoever so I guess I'm one of those non-responders. 

 
Mostly what it does is slowly raise the level of stored creatine phosphate(CP), free and in muscle.
 
It does not increase muscle or strength...so you should not expect it too.
 
If you eat lots of beef, you may already be loaded with it.
 
Conversley...your response does relate to CP load and to type II glycolytic muscle...if you have a smaller ratio of type II glycolytic muscle...then you naturally store less CP.
 
Most people bloat from the garbage IN the creatine, not from, the creatine itself.
 
Though there can be 3-10 pounds of added water in muscle as CP stores water with it in muscle.
 
However, creatine is systemic..and takes 6 weeks to (gradually) return to pre-supplementing levels!!!
 
So even after a month, your levels may be elevated!!  Wait another month...then start taking it and see if you experience the ability to have shorter between-set rests...which is pretty much what you can expect from creatine.
 
Which is where the myth that it makes you stronger comes from..people recover faster from a lift and can "lift more."

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Are you saying to wait 1month? I'm plannin to wait till the end of Feb which will be my 1 month.

But anyways about the rest times, I'm not worried about as I'm currently on a low-rep based program so I take around on average 3 minute rest times.

Are you saying to wait 1month?

Try waiting until the end of march.
 
True, your current training would not take full advantage of the primary benefit of creatine....it has all sorts of secondary benefits....

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haha okay dan, il make a deal with you, il start tribulus when i hit a nasty plateu ok? Then we can see how good it does and in the meantime i can simply bash out old fashioned sweat and work instead of pill popping for results LOL.

 
I Like that! 
I always like to get a baseline with a new aproach.

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ORIGINAL: danmirage

Are you saying to wait 1month?

Try waiting until the end of march.

True, your current training would not take full advantage of the primary benefit of creatine....it has all sorts of secondary benefits....

Sorry twisted for making your training forum into a chat, but I promise this won't continue for much more....... ;)

dan, I'll wait till March then. Could you tell me what "secondary" benefits it offers?

You asked for it...

To underscore this point about the effectiveness of creatine monohydrate, a team of independent scientists, headed by Ira Wolinsky, Ph.D., of the University of Houston, and Judy Driskell, Ph.D., R.D., of the University of Nebraska, and other top sports scientists reviewed the creatine research and concluded the following about the effectiveness of creatine monohydrate:

• Promotes greater gains in increasing FFM (Fat Free Mass, which includes muscle mass).
  
• Increases muscle fiber size; hypertrophy.
  
• Increases muscle mass.
  
• Increases myosin.
  
• Improves maximal strength.
  
• Improves maximal power.
  
• Improves single-effort sprint performance.
  
• Improves worked performed during repetitive sprint performance.
  
• Improving performance during exercise of high to maximal intensity.

Summary of Beneficial Effects of Creatine Monohydrate Supplementation
This includes a summary of the major conclusions about how creatine monohydrate supplementation improves body composition, physiology, physical performance and athletic performance. 

Body Composition and Physiology Related Improvements 

• Promotes greater gains in increasing FFM (Fat Free Mass, which includes muscle mass).
  
• Increases muscle fiber size (hypertrophy).
  
• Increases muscle mass.
  
• Increases myosin muscle fiber content.
  
• Improves strength training adaptations.
  
• Improves limb blood flow.
  
• Reduced ammonia levels.
  
• Reduced lactate levels.
  
• Raises lactate threshold.
  
• Reduces cholesterol levels.
  
• Reduces homocysteine levels.

Benefits have been measured in men and women; young and old (teenagers to over 70 years of age); inactive, active and athletic individuals.

Athletic Performance Related Improvements

• Improves rate of training induced gains.
  
• Improves maximal strength and power about 15%.
  
• Improves work performed during maximal effort muscle contractions about 15%.
  
• Improves anaerobic power.
  
• Improves single-effort sprint performance about 5%.
  
• Improves multiple sprint performance.
  
• Improves worked performed during repetitive sprint performance about 15%.
  
• Improves performance during exercise of high to maximal intensity.
  
• Increased number of weightlifting repetitions.
  
• Increased number of weightlifting sets.
  
• Greater gains in vertical jump height and power.
  
• Increased 1 repetition maximum.
  
• Increased peak force.
  
• Increased peak power.
  
• Reduction of athletic injury rates, such as: reduced muscle cramping, reduced dehydration, reduced muscle tightness, reduced muscle pulls, reduced muscle strains, reduced joint injuries, reduced contact injuries, reduced illness, reduced number of missed practices, and reduction in total injuries during the season.

Sports Specific Athletic Performance Improvements 
Reported In Research Studies:

• Bodybuilding
  
• Football
  
• Handball / Squash
  
• Hockey
  
• Military Performance
  
• Powerlifting
  
• Softball / Baseball
  
• Soccer
  
• Sprint running
  
• Sprint cycling
  
• Sprint rowing
  
• Weightlifting
  
• Wrestling

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lol that's okay vdk.
 
I didnt workout wednesday as the gym was still doing up equipment, and today didnt go well at all as ive come down with some nasty ass flu that knocked me out, and stopped me from being able to walk without holding onto a wall for support for a few hours, im feeling a tad better now though after taking a triple dose of paracetemol
 
And to think i was gonna do legs today haha!
 
The new gym equipment is ok, unfortunately deadlifting and squatting has become near impossible, they have no power cage anymore, only a smith machine, which is a bitch, and is happening because of UK "health and safety" laws, in a nutshell, if it involves doing something-its dangerous
 
Im down to 151lbs but thats definitely water and fat mass, i have lost TONNES of fat in just today as ive consumed 0 calories in the past 36 hours from feeling crappy.
 
Hopefully things should be back on track by monday.

ive come down with some nasty ass flu that knocked me out,

Take glutamine and BCAAs!

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