Steroids Disquiswed As Supplements

Yeah I love how its ok to promote/legalize the drugs they want out there. It boggles my mind to watch a commercial backed by them when they are saying "may cause increased suicidal tendencies"...REALLY!?!? so im going to take this drug and possibly start haveing thoughts of killing myself? that sounds real healthy.

You know not to open up a new discussion here, but its all just one big ass cycle to profit the big wigs. America is obese? sick? hurt? the answer these days seems to be nothing but take this pill, that pill and possibly these too. I mean **** what ever happened to exercise and dieting, natural remedies while being sick, or dealing with some pain while your recovering from something?

Then these people spend their whole lives relying on these pills and prescriptions, thinking they NEED them in order to function or live. Spending a fortune on these drugs. And its ok because the money is going to them, and they are controlling what is being released. Banking on the laziness/poor health habits and stupidity of the average American.

I was just talking about this to someone the other night. Hypocrisy at its finest. BTW, just woke up if anything was random and incoherent, I apologize...haha.

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wow!! your right!! I read that wrong!!

Those are very minimal dosages!!  Well.. I still don't buy it.. Sorry I just don't think it was the main cause of his liver damage.  I am guilty of taking epistane and tren extreme for months at a time minimal dosages just like he has.  I had my blood work done and everything is normal.  

Maybe he had a bad reaction? who knows.. and who is to say that was the only thing he took? who is to say he even told the truth about how much he took?  From personal experience I am not worried of the supposove risks of pro hormones.  especially a non methylated tren extreme

and further more those kind of weight gains off a pro hormone cycle is bull ****.  I know plenty of people here and in my personal life who mess with it,  no one gains that much.  So since I know thats bull **** I am going to say the whole article is bull ****.

So since I know thats bull **** I am going to say the whole article is bull ****.

 
x 2, Gaining 50 lbs off of 5 trenadrol pills a week, hahahaha

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Erich Fromm

In the affidavit, Novitzky said the FDA began its probe after learning of a California man who suffered liver damage and kidney failure after using Tren Extreme and Mass Extreme.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/07/23/MN4018UC8L.DTL#ixzz0UqNkZuPB



I am looking more into this..  I am going to assume the class action may take place or be taking place mainly because of gyno though..  Most of the news on the tren has related a large % of people getting gyno.. which makes sense.. I have gyno.. it goes away after cycle though.. I usually run a serm with pro hormones and anabolics.  It seems to just keep it as sensitive nipples then it shrinks down and goes away when my body fat does. 

They don't sell serms legally.. which sucks cause you kinda need it when taking these supplements.  So i will agree they should be taken off the market.  May as well get them black market ;) lol.  Like serms. 


To say he gained 50lbs off a cycle
and they have seen several cases where people had liver damage do to tren i believe is a flat out lie though.. They are embelishing on the truth.

The news typically does this though... Take the H1N1 for example, little blown out of proportion don't ya think?  Y2K?  see what im getting at?  ;)

crazy stuff right there hahah 5 pills a week really isnt that much

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_Virtuoso_


I take like 14 pills a week. Only cos I know I'm hardcore enough to handle it.

Fish Oil

Hardcore enough to handle what?  What's fish mouth good for? OHHH!  Never mind.  ;)

that was terrible

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    You're the Clipart Photoshop GOD!

 

_Virtuoso_


that was terrible

Thought you liked American humor (sorry, humour).  Guess not crappy American humor.  Picky, picky!
 
Hey, Virt:  Did you hear about the plane that overshot the Minneapolis airport here in the States?  Pilots say they weren't asleep but were in a heated discussion and lost "situational awareness."  How much you want to bet the pilot and the co-pilot (both guys I presume) were doin' the nasty?  ;)
 
Watch the video:
 
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/24/airliner.fly.by/index.html
 
Dollars to donuts says these guys were steamin' up the windows!  Ha!  They don't call it the c0ckpit for nuttin'!  ;)

lol at first I thought you had an active imagination, but after reading the article and watching the interviewer interrogate him it does look like he's being forced out the closet

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    You're the Clipart Photoshop GOD!

 

It boils down to unless your in the know... you don't realize and who would... that you can buy steroids "legally", or unintentionally.

Just like IBB said, if you need to take a by prescription PCT, and it is not disclosed... How much is the consumer at fault really???

It's big pharma, or big supplement at it's finest... Veg hit it with his, well if they put the warnings it should have on the packaging, then the FDA would be alerted and keep it off the market... what a loop hole... how is that ok? So we have this powerful drug, that is potentially rather harmful, if misused, but in order for us to sell it we can't really tip off the customer, as to how powerful it is, nor can we clearly explain what to take with it to ovoid the unwanted side effects...  so we'll just roll the dice.

I realize many of you are threatened or annoyed, at yet another powerful helper is going to be less accessible...

If I went as say bought a 5 hour energy shot over the counter, I would not expect it to contain cocaine. And then find out it does, but it metabolizes differently, so it is not labeled ingredients cocaine, instead it is called "energy compound, coco-aine-ethyl-hydrate".

That is about the equivalent of what we are discussing...

And considering the crap chemicals that are in the majority of the food sold today, we as a whole are quite comfortable ingesting a host of chemicals, that we have no idea about at all... I just grabbed a bottle of diet cherry 7 up, (from *shudder*, of all places the children snack land), looking at the label I find Acesulfame Potassium... most people wouldn't even blink an eye at an ingredient like that... most of "regular" food is made up of that kind of garbage...

again, not saying I believe 42 year old dudes story, or that he disclosed everything, or CBS's, or arguing whether they should be legal or not...

I am just saying buyer beware doesn't hold total water in this instance, IMO.

I'd Tried to stay out of this one....as most of you know...I've dabbled with PH's in the past....Matter of fact I'm in the middle of a cycle right now...So I know I'm probably not the most objective on this subject.

HOWEVER....C'mon,there is no way this guy didn't know something...well a little weird was going on. The first month...with NO CYCLE SUPPORT whatsoever going on.....Theres no way he didn't get itchy nipples,oily skin,notice that his attitude was quite a bit less pleasant than "normal".....When a 42 year old guy,puts on 50 pounds in 3 months......C'mon....He knew...he just did not care...he was getting what he wanted,he ignored all the signs....now he wants to b!tch about it???? Give me a break!

It is up to each and every person to do their own due diligence before taking ANY action,especially one as personal as what "drugs/Supplements" you put into your body. I mean , Jeez...."take some of this Sh!t ,It'll make you huge" then 3 months later "by the way...what is this stuff?".....LOL....I'm not buying it.

If you're counting on the government and the FDA to keep you safe/Healthy....You're in a helluva bind buddy....HaHaHa....LAWD!!!!!!

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If he really put on 50 lbs in 3 months off of 5 trenadrol pills a week I'm a buying some pronto!

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm

OH yeah...I never knew "5 hour Energy" had CoCaine in it....LOL

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Does it really?

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You know I don't care...
 
no the 5 hour energy... is an analogy a poor one... that is what I mean streoids testosterone boosters of that caliber are assumed to illegal like they are for this purpose, sports enhancement. Cocaine is also illegal, it's a powerful stimulant (not really for sports performance, but regardless I am trying to draw a parrel, however missguided). You all complain that people view steroids along the same lines as any other illegal drug... Many of you claim that they are ignorant to the side effects, and real an proper dosage, tons of misconceptions... which is what allows me to draw this comarpision...
 
Any person off the street is not going to expect to go look at the ingredients of an energy drink, to make sure that it does contain cocaine, correct?? Why would they it is an illegal compound, how could it find it's way on to the shelf. So why would you go into a supplement store, and expect a steroid like compound, in you bulking aid... That is also an illegal compound... You get my point. It's a loop hole for them to sell these products, not everyone would think that is happening...Nor would everyone totally reasearch every compound they put into their bodies... Considering the food some people here eat, all the time,  I know that they are not researching the food additives in their food... So some of this sentiment the "It can't happened to me attitudes" I am too smart, I reserch what goes into my body, buyer beware, I don't feel is earned.
 
  I am not agreeing or disagreeing, I am just bringing up a point, about the business practices, I know your a copy writer...but this response is not aimed personally at you Bulking, it is another generalization. I know I have really pissed off probably a number of people.  
 
 and remember I am not talking about the 40 year old idiot I am generalizing.. It's the loop hole not the case... It's the situation that is set up, not this example... However the 18-20 year olds with gyno, sounds like a very plausible scenario to me.
 
But I will say it again. I do hate general stupidity, and people not taking responsibility for their own actions and miss-actions, the 40 year old story is ridiculous... And in life's grand scheme this could not affect me any less and I really don't care... But it is an interesting topic to discuss,  when looked at from a few angles.
 
So seriously whatever... I'll just shut up now.

LOL....Hardway....I was just Rattling your cage a bit. I knew full well what your point was. I also know that a week on even the weakest of PH's will bring on sides without any type of cycle support. I mean without any liver support supps....you'd definitely feel painful urination.....and other sides. He knew....but he got greedy and wanted the gains...despite the obvious risk to his health.

As far as business practices go...There's not a supp company around,and I have written for a few,who aren't taking scientific liberty,in regards to cited studies and "claims". Very few indeed. It's a morally bankrupt industry,with very few "class acts" left. I do understand your point....Maybe I'm a bit jaded in this particular subject....thinking everyone (accept the FDA..LOL) was in on the gig...as far as the sale of these products. Like IBB said...kinda funny the "PH's" are OTC....but the PCT's are strictly blackmarket.

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