Steroid injury treatment rule me out for "natural" contests?

I'm thinking of making an appointment with a sports specialist regarding my injured knee.  If the doc recommends a steroid injection, is that going to rule me out from competing in a "natural" bodybuilding contest?  I'd rather avoid that.  Thanks!

lololol.

Your knee is going to get huge!!

haha, I doubt it dude. When are you competing?

M,
   It was actually a serious question.  I've heard of people getting steroid injections for joint issues.  In fact I once complained to a doc about some shoulder pain and she said if it didn't clear up in a few weeks she would probably give me an injection.  I just didn't know whether I would test positive even though the injection wouldn't help me with any size.  The knees are fine, btw, which shocked me considering all the running miles my knees have on them!  :)
   As far as the contest, the goal was to compete next June.  That may still be a distinct possibility.  I've never prepared for a contest though.  I'm noticing slow progress with my bulk.  I like what I see so far and have high hopes that good things will start to happen in the near future.  I'm finishing up a 6 week HST program and it has been successful, even if I've only put on perhaps 5 lb in that time.  My bf% seems to have held pretty steady so hopefully most of it is LBM.  The promoter of the contest I want to enter thought I should bulk to 215 and cut to 190 to be "nice and tight".  He thought I was already nice and lean when he saw me at 195.  I'm about 205 now so only 10 to go before the cut by his plan.  I'll see what I look like at 215 and make a decision where to go from there.  I've never cut before, or posed, so that's a lot to cram into 9 months.  I want to get a contest under my belt for the accomplishment and the experience to hopefully show/perform even better the 2nd time.  But I also hate to waste months on deep cutting and pose practice when that time could be spent packing on more beef.  So lots to decide.  Thanks for asking.  Good workin' out!  :)

Best of luck with that bulk JMBS!

What ratio/micros are you running on the bulk?

Post 777 cool.

PumaKrieg


Best of luck with that bulk JMBS!

What ratio/micros are you running on the bulk?

Post 777 cool.

You're not going to like this answer:  Not the first friggin' clue!  Hopefully when the boys get back into school I'll have the time to plan eats and calculate calories and macros.  If I had to guess (and I could be wildly off), I'd say c/p/f might be 50/30/20.  I drink whole milk like it's going out of style.  What should my ratios be?

Sorry for not getting back in time. I myself don't believe in rigid exact percentages except on diets like keto. Anyhow I myself think 50/30/20 is okay assuming you are eating enough of course.

Nice title Jack Thread.

JMBS-not sure even what they test for, in fact I've asked a similiar question a while back and nobody on this site offered any real answer.  You might have to contact the folks who run the contest you are entering and ask who can point you in the right direction.   I'll be interested in what you find out if you can post it.
 
 
thanks!

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You need to apply for a TUE, then you should be GTG....................
 
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Dawg,
   Good to know!  Thx!  Got the green light on the knees so no worries as of now (knock wood!).  My right clavicle is giving me grief today, perhaps from the SLDLs.  I'm gettin' old!  ;)
 
   The more I look at the guys who compete "natural" and compare them to the guys I saw at the untested show, the more I'm coming to the conclusion that most of the guys I saw had taken something at one time or another.
 
   I'm leaning more toward a natural show.

How much Fish oil are you taking? Getting over 2.5g a day will help your joints out greatly. I run at least 3g. After 40 years of age, things start to make noise.

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How much Fish oil are you taking? Getting over 2.5g a day will help your joints out greatly. I run at least 3g. After 40 years of age, things start to make noise.

I only take 1g/day.  I need to get in the habit of taking a 1g gelcap 3x/day.

Up your intake for sure. Within 4 weeks you will notice the change. I use to ache everyday. After upping my dosage to 3g I feel way better. If you get the burps, freeze them before you down them. Seems to help.

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Dawg,
   Do you do Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM?  If so, results?

I was using those. But, I have recently switched over to Super Cissus. I'm told its a better all around product for joint support and repair. I like the fact I pay for one bottle, not three.
Jury is still out on the effectiveness. So far i have had no problems at all (3 months on it).

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For the original question: If they inject you with steroids it will be a corticosteroid like cortisone which is not on that banned list. Corticosteroids are much different than Anabolic steroids.  Corticosteroids will break down muscle whereas anabolic steroids as we all know does the exact opposite.  Corticosteroids among other side effects will increase water retention which is a big no no if you're competing.

SavageMuscle


For the original question: If they inject you with steroids it will be a corticosteroid like cortisone which is not on that banned list. Corticosteroids are much different than Anabolic steroids.  Corticosteroids will break down muscle whereas anabolic steroids as we all know does the exact opposite.  Corticosteroids among other side effects will increase water retention which is a big no no if you're competing.

Great info!  Thanks, man!  Thankfully the knees are fine!  Good workin' out!  :)