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Squats make you slow? - 3/23/2006 6:09:38 AM
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st0ne
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i know alot of people who focus around the squat and deadlift but dont seem to get any faster and by faster i mean versatile power. the kind used on the sporting field.
if you move small weight slowly dosent it make sense that is what your body is going to get used to or heavy weight even slower? skill players leave squats to the linemen, let them get slower. : )
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 3/23/2006 3:57:03 PM
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Could be because they concentrate more on their squats than they do on speed- But the truth is, you can actually train for both and get good results- I've seen some pretty large men with monster legs who can really move. It's two different types of fitness, really- And sure, those who concentrate solely on strength will gain more strength than those who try to get both strength and speed- but doing squats and deadlifts is not necessarily a guarantee that you'll end up slow. It all depends on the person, and the type of training they're willing to do.
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skill players leave squats to the linemen, let them get slower. : )
In actuality, this should read- Skill players add squats to their routine, and work even harder to keep up their speed. It makes a better athlete, in any sport, to have a good leg and lower back workout, bottom line.
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 3/23/2006 4:14:40 PM
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No squats dont make you slow. By increasing your squat your increasing the output of your leg muscles. Combine that with speed training (pylometrics) which increase your muscle reaction time will have the most improvements in your speed.
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 3/23/2006 4:16:24 PM
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly11.htm
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 3/24/2006 2:07:32 AM
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i know alot of people who focus around the squat and deadlift but dont seem to get any faster and by faster i mean versatile power. the kind used on the sporting field.
if you move small weight slowly dosent it make sense that is what your body is going to get used to or heavy weight even slower? skill players leave squats to the linemen, let them get slower. : )
do high hiiigh reps on your legs if you're wanting speed.. I do sets of 20
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 3/24/2006 6:58:21 AM
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the only way you get slow from squats is not running and not stretching out, if your legs get bigger and tigther youll lose alot of speed, i do polymetrics 3-4 times a week and sprint twice a week and stretch every day so that i stay loose
20 rep squats are amazing by the way
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 3/24/2006 4:06:27 PM
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well keep squating and you will never get an outsanding 40 and vertical jump i promise u. 20 reps of squats target your slow twitch fibers used for endurance, fast twitch fibers only fire expolsivey for 5-10 seconds depending how efficent your atp supply is.. squats and plyometrics together is the worse thing u can do your are wiring your muscles for two different types of movements thats why your making no gains on the playing feild.
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 3/24/2006 4:08:08 PM
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plyometics with power output training, and explosive weight training is the way to go. most people build such imbalances in their quads and hams with squats. t
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 3/25/2006 4:57:58 PM
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If you train low weight high reps....u will get get faster. If u train low weights low reps, fast reps(i.e. speed squats) u will develop fast twitchy muscles. ANd if u squat high weights low reps u will get strength in speed (by that i mean be able to run people over quick like).
a combination of these will create a machine that neither man nor beast can conquer...MWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
J/p but seiroulsy do all three of em.
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 3/25/2006 5:12:25 PM
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Urgh... Im guessing you havent lift before. So you will need to start lifting once a week with 8-12 rep area with 6-9 sets. To build muscle as well as a little strength that way you get experience with lifting and build new cells for strength to process threw when you go threw strength phase. While your doing this you need to be doing the sport your training for also. After a solid 2 months of lifting in this area you should of added some good size in your legs. Then you need to get into strength specific training you should also have been training your upper body so your size is evened out threw your body. The training you change into from there is 3x3 so you will have a bench day, squat day, and deadlifting day such as a powerlifter. This is for building strength into your size you have gained. After doing this for a solid month you should have gained alot of strength. From there you get into pylometric 2 days a week and doing 2 days a week of full body exercising days to maintain your strength. After a month of this you will be at your prime. This is the long process of going threw it the proper way of how it was to go. But many just change it week by week. Like 1st week you do bodybuilding. 2nd week you do powerlifting. 3rd week you do pylometrics
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 3/29/2006 1:28:54 PM
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Im not into bodybuilding type training to much mass for my position. Mass is too heavy it slows you down. im a FUCTIONAL weight lifter. Plus you wont build speed off doing low weight high reps your fast twitch will only fire for 5-10 seconds, than your slow-twitch endruance fibers take over. People always focus on starting acceleration exercises: explosive cleans. explosive straight leg deadlift or squat. Noone ever targets Power output or progressive acceleration. Want to know a good progressive acceleration exercise? Water Plyometrics : )
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 3/31/2006 9:27:07 AM
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I do squats every other day in football and deadlift only once a week and im faster than i was before.
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 4/6/2006 7:48:58 PM
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Irunwhatdoudo
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Squats do not make you slow. By doing squats, you open up the lung cavity, which enables you to take in more air. More air, faster results. By adding on leg muscle, and specifically training for whatever you plan on doing, you will get faster. I don't know where you heard that squats make you slow, if you don't train for what you want to do, you won't go anywhere. Simple as that.
You speak as a "functional" weight lifter, and how exactly do you do "water plyometrics". I've done aqua jogging, swimming, junk like that for track. It doesn't build acceleration at all, it keeps your cardio up. If you do what a few of the other posts said, you will get faster. There is no one "set" way in gaining speed.
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 4/6/2006 8:05:46 PM
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ok first off i agree with Andy in that some of you are getting some info that is whack!!
1. Squats have been proven to increase testosterone levels and build overall body mass quicker than any other ex
2. They are needed if you are going to play any type of sport.
3. When doing them, you should do the squat EXPLOSIVELY. Lower the weight under control, and Excel up QUICKLY, but do not lock out your knees. My strenght coahc in college (one of the best in the nation) had us do this. I came in there with a 23 inch vert jump and left with a 35 inch vert.
4. Want to really be explosive?? Then do power cleans, snatch. All Olympic lifts make you quicker.
5. So overall squats wont make you slow. if they did, then i doubt NFL and NBA players would do them at all.
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 4/8/2006 7:44:01 PM
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st0ne
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That is why you guys will guys will never have a 32 in vert like me : ). you will build bulky, unblanced, injury prone legs.
I think squats caused my knee dislocation i never had a problem untill i started squating that one summer. I do actually squat 2 times every 6 weeks just to keep my base strong but thats it. I promise you if you ever really start to increase your performance you will soon find out that speed and jumping has alot more to do with your neurological capacity than the muscle mass you build from squats.
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 4/10/2006 3:37:38 PM
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Actually, i really depends on ur sport and what u mean by 'speed'. If u mean football and ur a lineman u need to be strong fast to push someone quickly(squats help)..running back u need to run people over srongly and get outside(squats).
Baseball, run to each base as quick as possible(speed squats help).
In my opininon squats help with everything whether u do them fast with light weight or heavy. Ur legs gotta be strong.
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 4/10/2006 7:27:38 PM
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ebbearsfb1
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squats are great exercise enough said.
i always hear people saying squats don't work.
they only don't work if ur not doing them right
personally i hate squats. but i do them ne way cause they
are proven to work. squats are the top exercise for
nfl,nba, and mlb and probable nhl and mls.
ur vertical jump is 32. im 5'7'' and can dunk think about that.
and run a 4.59
then tell me squats don't make you faster
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RE: Squats make you slow? - 4/18/2006 12:59:32 PM
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WOW ! ok I was a wide reciever and played varsity my sophmore and junior year of highschool....I ran a 4.59 40 yard dash (that was my best time) and i weighed about 180. (broke ankle summer before senior year so had to give up football). I did squats 2 times a week plus sprints sprints sprints and other stuff. While doing squats i didnt do high rep low weight (that builds mass)...I did low weight high high rep (to build endurance). Squats are a great all around exercise and work your back and calves as well as your glutes and hams. WHOEVER SAYS SQUATS SLOW U DOWN....NEEDS TO BAN THEMSELVES FOM SPEAKING. Beig a reciever you need to be explosive....So i would very slowly lowerthe weight, then explode and try to get up as fast as possible,,,also did jump squats with dumbells. Its all about how you approach the squats I also wore a weighted vest and did sprints. Now "st0ne" I dont know what your talking about but i mean really just think...Your legs get stronger by doing squats so therefore it takes less effort to move your ass down the field....got it? Squats alone wont build speed but they definatly lay the foundation for your lower body....Ya gotta have a well balanced body.. DO SQUATS
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