Because deadlifts are harder on the Central Nervous System, they find squats easier to recover from... elite powerlifters (usually) don't squat 2X per week.

It's been said loads of times by other members, if you don't like the thread, no one requires posting in it.

IMO, it was a good debate, the thread contained a lot of useful information and for the most part those whom contributed did so with good logic (including RedJeep) and most people, for the most part, seemed to enjoy it and liked the information.

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RedJeep


I based my decision on which one I would choose if that was the only exercise I could do. I think by doing deadlifts you could maintain a much more balance physique than by just doing squats and that is why I think overall it is the best exercise. At the same time squats are essential as well and should also be performed.

It is stupid to try and classify which one is best, I really do not see any point in doing so. You go to the gym, you do squats, you do deadlifts...why argue about which one is better when you can just do BOTH.

Case and Point.

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Here's the point.. most of the people who have made commends in this thread are regular posters who already know and understand the functions of each exercises. 

This forum has a multitude of members and people who just browse the various posts that are just starting out and have no earthly idea about the beneifts of each exercise..

so, just the education info within this thread is worth it's weight in gold to someone just starting out.... This place would get boring fairly fast if we didn't have discussion on stuff that most of the regulars already know.   

And both N$ and MVP did an incredible job expressing their different views on each exercises without even insulting each other.. GREAT POST>
 
Edit: Now that i think about it.. this is one of the only forums you can go to, alwasy find someting interesting to read or talk about that doesn't end or start out involving some type of steroid.. I read a half a dozen other forums and if it's a good forum.. it's usually dead.. if it's busy, it's usually busy because everyone is discussing some type of gear... what to do and when do to it.. and how much of it to do.. oh.. and what to do before and afterwards..
 

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"so, just the education info within this thread is worth it's weight in gold to someone just starting out.... This place would get boring fairly fast if we didn't have discussion on stuff that most of the regulars already know."

Well said.  Various opinions.  Etc.. ultimately the CONSUMER must make the choice.  And at least they have some ideas surrounding the different viewpoints vs... 

In 19 years of this sport, I've not ever run across THE RIGHT ANSWER all of the time.

The best information is when the person reading is learning, understanding, forming opinions and then APPLYING that to themselves and seeing what works and what doesn't. 

I think in BulletProof Monk... Chow Yu's character said.. "The wise man knows others but the enlighten man knows himself."

If you know what works for you via experimentation and information obtained here or elsewhere, then you'll build the ultimately blueprint for yourself.  And that is what it's all about.

Educating each other.  Expressing viewpoints.  And the reader on the other end applying that to their situation.

Doesn't get any better than that.

At least that is the goal in my mind.

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^^

Word.

I just thought it'd be interesting in getting different points of views, some guys prefer deadlifts (unfortunately, I had to drop them out of my routine until I can get some straps), some prefer squats.. some even prefer just curls and leg extensions... but regardless, stick with what you like and you'll make gains

Personally, I was on the deadlift side during the voting, but I actually have a preference of doing squats, deadlifts make me dizzy and as mentioned I had surgery and it aggravates the scar inside my hand. I'm considering just replacing them with power cleans or just doing one set of deadlifts per week... I don't mind doing squats to be honest. My overall favorite exercise is bench presses and pull-ups though

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MVP


Because deadlifts are harder on the Central Nervous System, they find squats easier to recover from... elite powerlifters (usually) don't squat 2X per week.

Hmm, well according to westside barbell they squat atleast twice a week, one day is heavy the other is their dynamic, and they actually don't have rest days so on their other days they are doing supplementary work. 
 
If the thread brought up useful information to educate people than you are right it is worthwhile, not really trying to bash the thread.

http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/Seos-Log-2008-m442008.aspx

Dynamic Effort, Max Effort, Repetition Effort.

Squats are easier to recover from than deadlifts, CNS wise.

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Here we go again..lol

MVP




Deadlifts overload more muscles and allow you to lift more weight. They are also a more natural movement performed by the body which means it would be more beneficial in everyday life and your body would automatically be more efficient at it, it's not often you have something laying on your back and have to drive it up using your legs and hips.

Looks like a good debate, only read the first page, but it looks interesting.
 Just would like to point out that the world record squat is higher than deadlift by far. So although most people deadlift more than they squat, I don't think you can generalize that you deadlift more than you squat. Anyways good debate though.

Goals by end of 2009:
Bench 205
Squat 255 ATG
Squat Clean 185

"There is no elevator to success, you must take the stairs."

Yeah connelly you'll enjoy it, all seven pages consist of a lot of good information. In general, don't choose just one- Try to do both if you're capable of doing both, me myself I'm having to just drop deadlifts due to my hand surgery never really recuperating.. squats are absolutely phenomenal mass builders, especially for the quads and glutes.. they can improve the stability to have more weight than your own bodyweight on your back and therefore your body can stabilize more weight on your shoulders, making it a great core movement. Same thing for deadlifts, put mass on your lower back like nothing else, good for the glutes too, do both if you're capable of doing both.

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MVP


Yeah connelly you'll enjoy it, all seven pages consist of a lot of good information. In general, don't choose just one- Try to do both if you're capable of doing both, me myself I'm having to just drop deadlifts due to my hand surgery never really recuperating.. squats are absolutely phenomenal mass builders, especially for the quads and glutes.. they can improve the stability to have more weight than your own bodyweight on your back and therefore your body can stabilize more weight on your shoulders, making it a great core movement. Same thing for deadlifts, put mass on your lower back like nothing else, good for the glutes too, do both if you're capable of doing both.

Couldn't agree more.

Goals by end of 2009:
Bench 205
Squat 255 ATG
Squat Clean 185

"There is no elevator to success, you must take the stairs."

RedJeep


Here we go again..lol

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goin down the only road I ever known
Like a drifter I was born to walk alone
and I made up my mind
I ain't wastin no more time
 
Here I go again
 

Shakespeare?

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