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So many arguments. - 2/20/2006 6:59:16 PM
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SuperCoolFool
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Well... There are so many people on here that have had a lot of arguments of strength... It really all seems very stupid. If some one is strong... Then awesome. But really... Speaking for men. Do you really think chicks are gonna care about how much you can bench? All the girls I know don't really give a damn about that they just like a guy with a nice body. I would give away a lot of my strength for a better body. Of course I do want to be strong becuase I get in a lot of fights(Whitch I allways win.) But I don't really brag about it. The only time I tell people is when they ask me how much I can bench, or I'm telling people my stats. So really, unless you want to be a pro bodybuilder... Whitch, don't take this in a bad way... A lot of you couldn't do..(Everyone on here past the age of 18 that can't bench more then 250) Why worry so much about how much? You all get so worked up over nothing.
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RE: So many arguments. - 2/20/2006 7:45:51 PM
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DaddyDanDan
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dude i agree with you alot
ill give my opinion on stuff, but that is because i have been liftin since about 14
i have read alot of articles, trained in different ways, and never knocked nobody for nothin
i have a creed i live by "it doesnt matter how much you lift, its how you lift it" and also "to get big, you have to lift big"
people misread that alot
i dont mean humongous weights all the time i mean mentally you have to lift big
i really dont care if you can bounce 315 off your chest or whatever
i care and critique myself before i look at others
he who is without flaw cast the first weight plate
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RE: So many arguments. - 2/22/2006 9:56:32 AM
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AdamScott
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Well my philosophy is why not have strength and a good body?
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RE: So many arguments. - 2/22/2006 10:54:28 AM
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Well-stated, all. The point has to be made constantly, because there is a constant supply of people getting into weight training (and that can only be a good thing). Almost everyone starts out building their body with a slightly misplaced sense of priorities. yes, it is important that you build strength in the process of building muscle. A lot of people argue -rightfully so, I think- that neither is possible without the other. But you also have to remember that not everyone is in this game exclusively for the strength increases, or exclusively to carve a perfect physique.
My first priority in the gym is to stimulate the most growth I am physiologically capable of, because all I care about is not looking like a twig, LOL. How much I can bench or squat is an important part of that process, but it's not my singular focus. Some people, on the other hand, get a thrill from pushing themselves to accomplish raw feats of strength, and they could care less if they ever look like a Redondo Beach God or Goddess -more power to them 
If they don't bust my chops for not benching like a power-lifter, then I won't bust theirs for not having a perfect 8-pack. The way I see it, whatever your goals are, If you have the dedication to bust your hump in the gym on a regular basis, you are already a more exceptional person than the average schmoe. The pissing contests can wear on you after a while, but that's just how some people measure themselves I guess. Brag and compete all you want, there's always someone stronger, or bigger than you 
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RE: So many arguments. - 2/22/2006 11:43:08 AM
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twistedlink
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A lot of people here can bench and squat a lot of weight, dave on here benches and deadlifts mad amounts of weight, a lot higher than many have posted, i don't argue with him though because he has been training for years, i know the guy, talk to him and seen what he can do, its when someone new here comes onto the boards and posts a bench that is 130lbs better than the world record (I think 8pack said 130lbs not quite sure) and its just blatant BSing.
I dont think you nessecarily have to be benching over 250lbs aged 18 or over to become a pro bodybuilder, a lot start later than that and get quite far, and lets face it, no one can get that big naturally, the body literally doesn't allow it, despite what they say, every single pro bodybuilder (the really high up ones like ronnie coleman etc) take the magical drug that is known as steroids.
I only argue with people who's strength is just simply unbelievable, and in some cases quite frankly unless there bones are steel-impossible
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RE: So many arguments. - 2/22/2006 6:17:33 PM
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Well i don't care how much people bench, though a little competition never hurt haha. I does push me harder. Most chicks don't care about that stuff, but dome do. And some people have diffren't goals than others.
Most chicks just want a guy with a nice healthy body.
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RE: So many arguments. - 3/4/2006 5:17:40 PM
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footballfinatic
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I dont think that the weight matters because people that are smaller can bench more or squat more than a person with the same muscle and bodyfat because they have a lot less distance to move the object, and shorter arms which gives them more leverage. If you play a sport then you know that how much you can bench doesnt dictate how good you will be at a sport.
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RE: So many arguments. - 3/5/2006 9:37:47 PM
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Gun Ryo
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I get in a lot of fights(Whitch I allways win.) But I don't really brag about it.
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RE: So many arguments. - 3/5/2006 10:07:35 PM
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No Quarter
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How about because it's satisfying?
Or that it helps tell you what is working? Whether you're making progress or not?
(You make gains in strength well before you make gains in your appearance)
How about because our life doesn't revolve around impressing girls?
Or for that matter, how about because there's alot better ways to impress a girl?
Also, your point about us not becoming bodybuilders is irrelevant to the subject because clearly bodybuilders don't train for #'s.
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RE: So many arguments. - 3/5/2006 10:29:50 PM
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Gun Ryo
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My life doesn't revolve around impressing girls. Only girl I need to impress is my girlfriend, and I hope she is impressed with more about me than just my weightlifting, actually I think she hates the fact I weightlift.
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Hypnotised to realise that this surprise will end in demise in front of your eyes. Shining with lies you sent your spies, spat your alibies and your words rotted, rotted and attracted flies. Your boy cries but you proceed to fratenise with those baby blue eyes, eyes like the sky you pleaded for ties. Your stomach cries, and you envisionise a plate full of fries. Lord they are hot though, don't touch, I advise. But you are burned, and penalised, of course overdramatise and you get the prize. I am that boy baby girl and now I will end your 9 lives.
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RE: So many arguments. - 3/6/2006 1:07:53 PM
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SuperCoolFool
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Girls don't care how much you can lift, and only shallow ones care about your body.
But becuase I have Chronic Low Selfesteem disorder I still feel the need to have a great body becuase I'm allways thinking everyone is judging me.
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Someone always has to write on the walls "Mike was here". But then someone else puts an arrow and it says "Mike is a ****got". So Mike comes back to check it out, "What the hell?! I was here but not as a ****got!"
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RE: So many arguments. - 3/6/2006 2:29:32 PM
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AdamScott
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Imagine this scenario ' Oh my dear i cannot sleep with you , you cannot bench press 220.'
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RE: So many arguments. - 3/6/2006 6:15:57 PM
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Gun Ryo
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Imagine weightlifting, hitting 220 bench, and throwing her ass out into the cold night.
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Hypnotised to realise that this surprise will end in demise in front of your eyes. Shining with lies you sent your spies, spat your alibies and your words rotted, rotted and attracted flies. Your boy cries but you proceed to fratenise with those baby blue eyes, eyes like the sky you pleaded for ties. Your stomach cries, and you envisionise a plate full of fries. Lord they are hot though, don't touch, I advise. But you are burned, and penalised, of course overdramatise and you get the prize. I am that boy baby girl and now I will end your 9 lives.
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RE: So many arguments. - 3/6/2006 7:04:00 PM
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AdamScott
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Touche'!
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RE: So many arguments. - 3/6/2006 8:13:17 PM
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cpl
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It's definitely a sad state of affairs when someone tries to measure a man by how much he benches. You got guys in gyms all over the world screaming with crappy form trying to bench amounts of weight just for bragging rights, and it somehow is supposed to make them a better person- I think most of us here realise that being a real man is not about how big your guns are, or how much you can bench...
It's how much you can squat. 
Seriously though, if you ask me, you don't have to move a lot of weight to love this sport. I've always said I just love the feeling that I did something good for myself every day I lift- Even if it didn't give me muscles, I'd still do it. It's the actual workouts and eating right that I get a kick out of, and the payoff is like a side effect in a way. I think that's a better way to look at it anyway. If it's the workout you love, not the muscles, then you'll always look forward to the workout. If you're chasing the muscles, well- Gains never seem to come quick enough, and now you're looking for any old quick way to get bigger.
I'm not saying I don't like being in shape, though- It does help your attitude and perspective whenever you lose weight or look a little better at the beach- But I've noticed that a lot of people who are just in it for those reasons generally give up easier. If you don't like the lifestyle, you're never going to stick with it.
And when it comes to how much everyone can lift- There are definitely people out there who lie about it, probably to boost their own ego most likely. And yeah, sometimes it pisses me off, especially when it's a real blatant lie, but I just don't like liars. Other than that, I don't see the point in getting pissed really- If they claim they can lift a certain amount, good for them. The amount of weight someone else can lift has never taken away from, or added to, the amount I can lift. And I don't care how strong you are- You could be the strongest person you've ever known existed in your whole life- Someone somewhere right now is still bench pressing your best squat weight- For tons of reps. It's just the way life is.
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RE: So many arguments. - 3/7/2006 10:57:29 AM
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AdamScott
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Well women certainly aren't going to be bothered.
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RE: So many arguments. - 3/8/2006 5:13:25 PM
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pinkpony
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its spelled which in case you did not know
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RE: So many arguments. - 3/8/2006 5:40:18 PM
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cpl
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Whitch, don't take this in a bad way
I assume this is the error you were pointing out, pinkpony- Most likely, just a typo.
Of course, if you're going to try to point out spelling and grammatical mistakes on the internet, you'll be here a very long time- Just look at this, for example.
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its spelled which in case you did not know
I mean, come on- The first letter of every sentence is supposed to be capitalized, right? And then we have the omission of an apostrophe in the very first word. "It's" is actually a shortened version of "it is", and an apostrophe is used in such an abbreviation to show the absence of the letter that's missing- Or that is missing, whichever you prefer. There are other errors too, such as the omission of a comma after the word which, and the absence of quotation marks around the same, but one of the more glaring mistakes here is the total absence of the period at the end of the sentence.
So you've definitely got some work ahead of you- I mean, in this simple nine word sentence, I find five glaring mistakes right off the bat. Let me know how spell checking the internet goes, though.
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