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Slimming down/building muscle - 8/13/2005 6:37:29 AM
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roguetheory
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Right this is the basis of my work out and goal.
I'm 21 years old, and I weight around 93 KG. I'm 6ft tall, and I'm slightly overweight.
I have visable love handles and excess fat under my chin.
I'm currently taking Wu Shu Kwan classes ( 2hrs per class) 3 times per week, and about to start Ninjutsu classes (2 hrs per class) 2 times per week.
I also go to the gym 5 times per week. I focus on weight training/body building to increase muscle mass, and I also focus on cardio exercises such as 30 minutes on the tredmill at 7MPH, with the incline on full, along with skipping (Aroun 150 hops daily), after each work out I drink a Whey Protein shake, which contains Creatine, I also take Gin Seng supplements in the morning.
I do atleast 200 sit ups daily, 3 sets of 20 Push ups (20 knuckles/20 flat palms). I eat a healthy diet (No Junk food/Alcohol/Candy/Soft drinks)
Mostly Corn flakes with bannna for breakfast with another Banana around 11 am...
Lunch is normally a Tuna salad, and vegtable soup.
Dinner is normally a Tuna sandwich (Rye bread/Chinese Lettace/Paprika) or Pork fillet, with some Pasta, I drink nothing but mineral water, and the odd cup of coffee during the day.
I'm currently trying to cut down on carbs too.. My legs are solid, since I'm currently working on a gas rig, so I'm walking up and down the platform all day, so I'm sweating and loosing weight.
When I get back home though in 3 weeks, and get back into my Martial arts/gym routine, I want to really up the tempo.
My aim is to get bigger muscles, and toned, and at the same time burn off this excess fat I'm still carrying around.
What would you suggest in terms of better :
Eating
Workout
Rest
Supplements
Habbits
And Do's Don'ts ?
I'm confused since I hear, conflicting opinions of cardio/muscle building at the same time.
Looking at my current routine, what can you see it leading to ?
My fear is burning muscle, while doing heavy cardio.
I don't want to be HUGE, just well build and toned.
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RE: Slimming down/building muscle - 8/13/2005 7:56:19 AM
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genghis
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it sounds like you are working out too much and not the right way. You shouldn't try to do everything everyday...that'll overwork your muscles. try keeping your workouts short but effective (heavy weights & less reps for big muscles) , and have a plan when you go to the gym so you don't end up doing a little bit of everything and waste time. Cardio after lifting is good, it'll help you tone down and burn more calories, but my advice is that you eat something (half-serving of a protein shake, or a protein bar) right after you lift and drink lots of water and then start doing your cardio. Eating between lifting and cardio sessions will minimize the chances of burning off your muscles while doing cardio.
Your diet seems alright, but make sure to get enough rest. and also, even though the foods you're eating are right, you might be eating big portions or you might not be eating enough, both of which will destruct any progress you may make working out. don't skip breakfast, and try eating small meals 5-6 times a day instead of the usual 3 meals...and don't eat or drink anything other than water for about 4 hours before you go to bed (you'll wake up lighter and more energetic, and you won't feel sluggish in the morning). hope this helps. let us know how it goes.
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RE: Slimming down/building muscle - 8/13/2005 3:31:31 PM
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roguetheory
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quote:
ORIGINAL: genghis
it sounds like you are working out too much and not the right way. You shouldn't try to do everything everyday...that'll overwork your muscles. try keeping your workouts short but effective (heavy weights & less reps for big muscles) , and have a plan when you go to the gym so you don't end up doing a little bit of everything and waste time. Cardio after lifting is good, it'll help you tone down and burn more calories, but my advice is that you eat something (half-serving of a protein shake, or a protein bar) right after you lift and drink lots of water and then start doing your cardio. Eating between lifting and cardio sessions will minimize the chances of burning off your muscles while doing cardio.
Your diet seems alright, but make sure to get enough rest. and also, even though the foods you're eating are right, you might be eating big portions or you might not be eating enough, both of which will destruct any progress you may make working out. don't skip breakfast, and try eating small meals 5-6 times a day instead of the usual 3 meals...and don't eat or drink anything other than water for about 4 hours before you go to bed (you'll wake up lighter and more energetic, and you won't feel sluggish in the morning). hope this helps. let us know how it goes.
Thanks for the reply bro,
I should have been more spesific. When I work, out I spending around 40 minutes or less lifting. And I target spesific muscles everytime I work out, and then leave those muscles alone, then next time I work out, so they have time to rest.
What are the effects or doing heavy cardio after lifting ?
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RE: Slimming down/building muscle - 8/13/2005 6:05:15 PM
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Master Of Puppets
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I just posted this, but due to the thread title, I'll post it again. 
If i never hear these words again in my life it will be too soon. I cringe everytime i hear someone (straight from bb.com) say "im coming off a bulker and now im doing a cutter"..What the hell is that?..that is the most idiotic concept ever! So what your doing is taking 2 steps forward for 4 months and then 1.5 steps backward for 4 months and repeating over and over? Talk about a waste of valuable time! Half your freaking year is gone to hell because your cutting for half of it and gaining no muscle. How bout a novel concept for you? How bout getting dramatically larger over time with huge food (protein) intake and super heavy training but adhering to carb cuttoffs and doing cardio (for increasing hunger and keeping bodyfat at bay reasons) so that you stay lean!!!!!!!!!! Gee whiz, might that be a better way?!
Bulker: An Excuse to become a fat **** for the sake of beleiving your putting on muscle mass to others and yourself (and you probably are but at a 50/50 ratio of muscle to fat--wow thats awesome!)
Cutter: 3-5 months of wasted muscle building time (trust me youll be building very little muscle mass during this) in the quest of turning yourself back from a fat slob you turned yourself into to someone presentable.
THINK ABOUT IT!!!! Your 200lbs, eat like a 250lb guy to get freakshow bigger, and train like a rhino with heavy weights to get larger but also do everything in your power (green tea, cardio, carb cuttoffs) to keep at a bodyfat percentage that your proud of or can live with. This is all about turning your body into a muscle building fat burning blast furnace!
If you do bulking and cutting for the next 2 years and with all those "cutting cycles" adding up to a years time, guess what you just gave up a year of lifting--one year of nonexistant muscle mass accumalation. Thats like lifting for the next 6 years and you only get 3 years of productivity out of it. See the problem is, alot of people try to stay lean year round while also tryng their hardest to put on muscle mass and they do it all wrong. They eat like a 190lber trying to get to 250lbs and think that--by some miracle that will get them there. This is all about becomeing a food processing machine here. Take in a surplus (protein/food), create a demand to put on muscle (seriously heavy lifting/DC training) and then taking care of excesses and burning them off (carb cuttoffs/cardio/thermogenisis)----eating and training like a 300lbs offseason behemoth but doing everything else in your power to be that guy walking around at 7-14% bodyfat (whatever floats your boat)....See its not that hard, just think it out....but most of all dont waste your freaking time taking 2 steps forward and 1.5 steps backward....this is about constant forward progress. If I hear anyone say "cutter" or "bulker" again on this board, you get the official title of "bodybuilding.com guy", like a scarlet letter. This is constant bulking and cutting at the same time and you dont forsake one for the other unless your competing for a show.
You turn yourself into a machine and you keep that machine evolving. Does anyone in this forum actually beleive that if you are 200lbs and doing cardio 3-4x a week at 30-45 minutes a pop but eating 400-500 grams of protein and a ****load of food to get bigger that - YOUR ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO GET BIGGER BECAUSE OF THAT CARDIO? If your not getting bigger then your either not eating enough or your a young guy whose metabolism is so fast that your one of the lucky ones who doesnt have to do cardio. Thats another story I have to write about one of these days--Cardio. Every time I hear a guy tell me...."I just cant eat enough"....I ask him "are you doing cardio?", and he gives me that puzzled look and thinks "why should I do cardio? I have trouble gaining weight and eating enough".....BINGO!!!!! What do you think cardio does? You get up in the morning and start your day with some cardio I guarentee youll be starving the rest of the day and be eating like a damn horse. IT HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE TIME. Cardio is a two way street--increases hunger and keeps you lean. You have trouble getting bigger? Add cardio first thing in the morning after 30 grams of protein in water and some bcaa's and watch yourself eat the rest of the day! You wont be missing meals, youll be starving. Which leads me to getting off this computer because im starving.I wrote this very fast because im late--so sorry bout that
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