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Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/15/2005 2:56:04 PM
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muggzy
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Im considering getting Cellmass, it sounds like a really good alternative to normal creatine (no Loading etc), also it will help with my gains as well as energy for soccer matches once a week.
I was on creatine a while ago and had all the usual bloatedness, nasty sick feeling after i took it, etc etc do you get any side effects with cellmass?
Just purchase Nitrix and wondering if there are side effects of that and No Xplode?
Where does No Xplode fit in with Cellmass (energy) and Nitrix? (pump)
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/15/2005 4:58:08 PM
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muggzy
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Thanks for that Misanthropy, couple more questions if you got a minute
No Xplode is for energy then i take it? Do any of these products have caffine in them?
If you could choose between Cellmass or No Xplode what would you choose?
Not to trilled about No Colon Xplode, ive gotta last 90 minute soccer games with no bushes or trees nearby .. :p
Are these products you keep returning to or one off's?
The packaging makes bold statements does it really change you as quick and as fast as it says?
Thanks for your help
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/15/2005 6:05:25 PM
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Personally, I'd stick with alot of carbs for energy.
Some info about the main ingredient in Nitrix - AAKG:
Paddon-Jones et al. (2004) found that nitric oxide supplementation does not provide an ergogenic effect to healthy individuals.
It has been found that L-arginine keto-gluterate supplementation stimulates rapid vasidilation in a non-discriminatory fashion. Significant vasodilatation causes a drop in blood pressure (because as the veins widen, the pressure drops). Baroreceptors in the aortic arch and in the carotid sinus will detect this fast, significant drop in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. During exercise, it is imperative that diastolic blood pressure remain constant. It is natural for systolic blood pressure to rise during the onset of exercise, but diastolic blood pressure values must remain constant. A drop in either during exercise is cause for great concern and can lead to serious cardiovascular damage. In order to protect the body from going into shock, vasomotor centers in the medulla will cause the blood vessels leading to the brain to constrict in order to increase blood pressure going into the brain (too much blood can severely damage the brain, just like too little). This is a dangerous sequence that can potentially lead to a vascular catastrophe.
Now, Cell Mass - There is no SCIENTIFIC evidence that proves Creatine Ethyl Ester (Malate) even works. Stick with the basics, good ol creatine monohydrate.
All the supplements you asked about lack evidence that prove their primary ingredients do what they claim...
I wouldn't even bother listening to anecdotal evidence given by the guy at GNC, or the supplement-head at the gym, just do yourself, and your wallet, a favor and stick with the basics.
As for energy compensation, get plenty of sleep (8-10 hrs), and a nap during the day. Eat plenty of good carbs, yams are awesome, and stay hydrated!!!
Good luck with your season.
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/15/2005 9:33:37 PM
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Personally, I'd stick with alot of carbs for energy.
Some info about the main ingredient in Nitrix - AAKG:
Paddon-Jones et al. (2004) found that nitric oxide supplementation does not provide an ergogenic effect to healthy individuals.
It has been found that L-arginine keto-gluterate supplementation stimulates rapid vasidilation in a non-discriminatory fashion. Significant vasodilatation causes a drop in blood pressure (because as the veins widen, the pressure drops). Baroreceptors in the aortic arch and in the carotid sinus will detect this fast, significant drop in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. During exercise, it is imperative that diastolic blood pressure remain constant. It is natural for systolic blood pressure to rise during the onset of exercise, but diastolic blood pressure values must remain constant. A drop in either during exercise is cause for great concern and can lead to serious cardiovascular damage. In order to protect the body from going into shock, vasomotor centers in the medulla will cause the blood vessels leading to the brain to constrict in order to increase blood pressure going into the brain (too much blood can severely damage the brain, just like too little). This is a dangerous sequence that can potentially lead to a vascular catastrophe.
Now, Cell Mass - There is no SCIENTIFIC evidence that proves Creatine Ethyl Ester (Malate) even works. Stick with the basics, good ol creatine monohydrate.
All the supplements you asked about lack evidence that prove their primary ingredients do what they claim...
I wouldn't even bother listening to anecdotal evidence given by the guy at GNC, or the supplement-head at the gym, just do yourself, and your wallet, a favor and stick with the basics.
As for energy compensation, get plenty of sleep (8-10 hrs), and a nap during the day. Eat plenty of good carbs, yams are awesome, and stay hydrated!!!
Good luck with your season.
The info you provide would be from a study. It can go either way, get 10 people to say this and i can get 10 people to say that. You never know something until you get some experience YOURSELF and make you own opinion and not someone elses "study." Anything that you intake has a possiblility to cause some damage. By taking the proper steps necessary to make sure what you supplement is safe. Honestly, i couldnt tell if cellmass worked or not. Recently, I have optimized my supplements based on $$ and experience on if it works for me or not. Cellmass isnt apart of it. Doesnt mean it wont work to some degree with someone else. You have to do your own study. Supplementation is a fairly new science and of couse it will take time to be regulated by larger watchdog groups. So leave it up to the consumer to make the choice to do supplementation or not. Just educate yourself from many difference sources before you jump in.
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/16/2005 12:23:54 AM
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Rest. At least 6-8 hours (depending on age) per night.
I would say that 8 hours is the bare minimum. You should shoot for 9.
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/16/2005 4:49:00 AM
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Beachbum
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The info you provide would be from a study.
Yes, here is another: http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/134/10/2888S
"The proposed or advertised ergogenic effect of many supplements is based on a presumptive metabolic pathway and may not necessarily translate to quantifiable changes in a variable as broadly defined as exercise performance. L-arginine is a conditionally essential amino acid that has received considerable attention due to potential effects on growth hormone secretion and nitric oxide production. In some clinical circumstances (e.g., burn injury, sepsis) in which the demand for arginine cannot be fully met by de novo synthesis and normal dietary intake, exogenous arginine has been shown to facilitate the maintenance of lean body mass and functional capacity. "
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It can go either way, get 10 people to say this and i can get 10 people to say that. You never know something until you get some experience YOURSELF and make you own opinion and not someone elses "study."
This is why I listen to the people who have laid the foundation to which everything we do as bodybuilders is built.
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Anything that you intake has a possiblility to cause some damage. By taking the proper steps necessary to make sure what you supplement is safe. Honestly, i couldnt tell if cellmass worked or not.
Right, but my point isn't neccessairly about damage. I am a college student, so money is tight, and I would hate to see my fellow bodybuilder go out, waste money on a product that 1. has no evidence that the main ingredient provides any ergogenic aid, 2. could be potentially dangerous. But, any supplement can be dangerous if misused, ex. extremely high doses.
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Supplementation is a fairly new science and of couse it will take time to be regulated by larger watchdog groups. So leave it up to the consumer to make the choice to do supplementation or not. Just educate yourself from many difference sources before you jump in.
I agree, however the watchdog (or FDA, more like the money hungry carnivore :P) is arriving alot sooner than most think. As far as education, why would you look anywhere else than a revered scientist? And no, supplement companies don't have my trust, unless they can provide a conclusive lab analysis for a product.
I see what you are saying, and I know that most people probably won't listen to me because they are too caught up in the hype, however, again, why wouldn't you listen to people who study the human body for a living? Why be a "guinea pig" for a product when there is NO evidence that suggests the main ingredient helps their cause? That is essentially the choice you're making. So then, I leave it up to you, the consumer to make that decision.
Jason
PS - Sorry as if I came off as a douche bag in that post, that was not my intention, but I am very passionate about science, research, bodybuilding and wellness.
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/16/2005 4:56:36 AM
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Sorry almost forgot about this:
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...but when you said stick to creatine monohydrate I have to question that. In my experience a basic monohydrate just ads a bloted look and mostly water weight. Shouldn;t someone use a more advanced creatine with more types of creatine than mono?
How do you use it? Take 20 minutes after you lift, 1 serving, and scoop it into your mouth and choke that down with your protien shake or water. When loading, do the same, scoop 1 serving into mouth and choke it down with water.
And yes, scientific literature dictates that loading IS effective. I'll dig up the studies later if you wish, for now I have to go to work.
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/16/2005 5:30:11 AM
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loading makes sense as you saturate your muscles with creatine. When i took creatine last year i didnt notice any difference muscle wise however i was really impressed at my stamina increase. It wasnt like 'god i feel energetic', it was more like noticing that i could run at the same pace and power at the end of game just as in the beginning with hardly any fatigue in my legs.
I took it 3 times a day in warm water Uuurrgh.
Im willing to pay more now for higher quality creatine, as that stuff gave me bloated belly, nausea etc (was off ebay £20 for 1kg). If cellmass is a creatine like product then great, no xplode is also sounding attractive but its the caffine in it that im not sure about.
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/16/2005 5:44:06 AM
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Im considering getting Cellmass, it sounds like a really good alternative to normal creatine (no Loading etc), also it will help with my gains as well as energy for soccer matches once a week.
I was on creatine a while ago and had all the usual bloatedness, nasty sick feeling after i took it, etc etc do you get any side effects with cellmass?
Just purchase Nitrix and wondering if there are side effects of that and No Xplode?
Where does No Xplode fit in with Cellmass (energy) and Nitrix? (pump)
Hey Muggzy;
Haven't tried Cellmass but, I’ve taken No-X along with Nitrix for about six months and found it was OK., and also tried different stacks w/NO-X and Nitrix and never experienced any sides. After that I switched to VNS-Jacked and found that Jacked alone worked better for me. In fact, I even eliminated Nitrix, and others like BSN-Betalin-7EC, IDS-NP2, Dymatize Meth-X, SAN V-12, ISS Satur8 and still had better intensity, stamina and pump w/Jacked.
I still take my vitamins, Protein Shakes, Omega oils and try to eat as clean as I can. My workouts have been enjoyable and I just feel great.
Peace
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/16/2005 6:42:19 AM
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great input jram thanks. Ive just purchased Nitrex, so im gonna start with that and probably buy some No Xplode to go with it. VNS jacked sounds good tho, what gains are you experiencing? in terms of weight and size.
Oh and do these products help with cardio based activities as well as they do for weight training?
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/16/2005 9:37:24 AM
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normally i would never say this..but nobody knows me here...
so beach bum break this down barny style for me. get the crayons out and draw me some pictures cuz i have no idea what your talking about. just that its bad ummkay.
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/16/2005 10:17:00 AM
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haha i wondered what beachbum was on about putting the powder directly into his mouth, whats wrong with a cup?
If cellmass has a transporter in it thats fine by me, actually does that mean all the pure creatine i was taking in warm water was going to waste? oops..
cellmass could be the one for me i think, at the moment i am just taking reflex whey protein twice a day cant really say im noticing much
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/16/2005 11:57:13 AM
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no not all of it goes to waste, i mean you have a certain level of insulin and sugar in your system already but without any help its limited..
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/16/2005 1:57:42 PM
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so beach bum break this down barny style for me. get the crayons out and draw me some pictures cuz i have no idea what your talking about.
Surely, but what do you want me to break down?
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haha i wondered what beachbum was on about putting the powder directly into his mouth, whats wrong with a cup?
The deal is this: most crystalline structures, that comprise some powdered supplements, are easily affected by changes in temperature, pressure, medium (in air or water), and pH. Creatine is a very unstable substance, meaning its willing to change its properties very quickly. This is due to its crystalline structure. If oxidized, which usually happens in water (think rusting), Creatine's properties are altered, and as a result, it turns to Creatinine, a useless compound, which if ingested in really high amounts, can be somewhat dangerous.
Scooping it in your mouth avoids that precious time lost sitting in your cup, thus resulting in greater absorption of actual Creatine, not useless creatinine. It also ensures you actually get the entire serving in your mouth, as opposed to being stuck to a cup.
Make sense?
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/16/2005 3:34:26 PM
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It has been found that L-arginine keto-gluterate supplementation stimulates rapid vasidilation in a non-discriminatory fashion. Significant vasodilatation causes a drop in blood pressure (because as the veins widen, the pressure drops). Baroreceptors in the aortic arch and in the carotid sinus will detect this fast, significant drop in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. During exercise, it is imperative that diastolic blood pressure remain constant. It is natural for systolic blood pressure to rise during the onset of exercise, but diastolic blood pressure values must remain constant. A drop in either during exercise is cause for great concern and can lead to serious cardiovascular damage. In order to protect the body from going into shock, vasomotor centers in the medulla will cause the blood vessels leading to the brain to constrict in order to increase blood pressure going into the brain (too much blood can severely damage the brain, just like too little). This is a dangerous sequence that can potentially lead to a vascular catastrophe.
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RE: Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode? - 8/16/2005 3:42:10 PM
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BEACHBUM..basically what i gathered was N.O. products are bad because the widening of the veins causes your BP to drop. right? but what are systolic and diastolic blood pressure?
MUGGZY.. while i've never heard of scooping it into your mouth...beachbum is right about everything else. (probably the way he takes it too)
BEACHBUM.. realistically how helpfull do you think taking creatine without mixing it is? i mean wont it turn to creatinine in your body anyway? well..not all of it but i know the majority of it will unless quickly digested.
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