Running + Lifting?

Is distance running while trying to get bigger a conflict of interests?

I used to run in high school (I could 8 miles at 6:30 pace fairly easily)...and right now I can do 3 miles at about 7 minute pace. I'm trying to get back into it, but I'm also researching lifting routines. I've been lifting for about a year and have finally realized I need a routine, and I've been overtraining.

My basic goal is to get bigger and stronger. Right now I'm 6' 168, pretty lean.

I'm also open to routine suggestions for someone who needs to switch things up. I can go to the gym 7 days a week, it doesn't matter to me...I know that's dumb, but I'm just saying I'm open to any routines. Someone in another thread suggested HST, I'm in the process of researching that now.

I'd also like to keep my supplements pretty safe and basic...I'm thinking just protein, and possibly that Animal Pak stuff, but I'm undecided on that.

Thanks for any thoughts!

any sort of good solid full body or split routine will work.  You could also consider taking BCAA's to help keep the muscle.  Oh and probably eat like a horse if you want to gain muscle.

Thanks for the help. If I am understanding BCAAs correctly, you take it instead of protein? How often and are there any potential side effects?

As far as routine...I have been doing a three day split: chest/tris, back/bis, legs/shoulders. I've been stagnating around the same weight, I need to change it up. Full body routines are pretty intriguing...basically you work everything in a session, three times a week? This is probably borderline overtraining, no?

How does something like this work as a diet:
7:30-3 eggs, english muffin, banana, protein shake (or BCAA?)
10:30-PB+J or PB+honey sandwich, an orange or banana, granola bar or power bar
1-grilled chicken sub, orange, banana
4-PB+J or PB+honey, banana (I'm not very creative...), power bar
Gym around 6:30, protein shake before it and after
Dinner around 8-whatever my mom makes Usually healthy, meaty
Casein protein shake before bed around 11

Does it seem like I'm lacking anything? Any advice on a good multivitamin? I'm 21 by the way.

Again, thanks for any help, I'm really glad I found this site!

i don't do the BCAA's, but i'm pretty sure most guys that take them take them right before and after cardio.  that would be an added thing i think.
 
thats a lot of fruit which has a lot of HI GI carbs.  Honey & jelly = lot of sugar.  natural PB?  eat more raw vegtables.  stay away from trans fats, HFCS and white flower and you could help yourself out a lot if don't already do that.  100% whole wheat products.
 
as far as training goes what exercises are you doing?

correct.  bcaa's are taken before and after cardio, and also in between meals.    think of it as muscle food, that's all it is.  it's protein that's already broken down

branch chain amino acids = bcaa

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Is distance running while trying to get bigger a conflict of interests?

Yes it is. Stay away from long distance running if you want to get stronger and bigger.

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Is distance running while trying to get bigger a conflict of interests?

Yes it is. Stay away from long distance running if you want to get stronger and bigger.

Oh coldfire. You and your absolutes.

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Is distance running while trying to get bigger a conflict of interests?

Yes it is. Stay away from long distance running if you want to get stronger and bigger.

Oh coldfire. You and your absolutes.

You disagree?

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ORIGINAL: coldfire

ORIGINAL: postlapsaria

Is distance running while trying to get bigger a conflict of interests?

Yes it is. Stay away from long distance running if you want to get stronger and bigger.

Oh coldfire. You and your absolutes.

You disagree?

Watch the olympics and compare the 100m sprinters to the 1500m runners.
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haha that guy on the right, Dwain Chambers is banned at the minute because of roids! He's a bit of a laughin stock at the minute, can't get in the olympic team so he's tried playin rugby which he's absolute dog dirt at, got smashed everywhere in one game and 'retired'.
 
The guy on the left however defo isnt on roids.....

football originated in england in the 1800's and is played with a proper ball, not an oversized egg with your hands....

It is a conflict of interests

long distance runners


Some guys that probably aren't doing long distance running


   You would have to eat so much food to get big while doing long distance running. Also long distance running stimulates slow twitch muscle fibers, but fast twitch muscle fibers are the ones with the most potential for growth. To stimulate fast twitch you need short explosive movements. Long distance runnning is neither short or explosive.

If it wasn't painfully difficult then you didn't do it right

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Long distance running + high rep bodyweight work + some weight lifting + TONS of food =


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Bud/s training. The guy standing up is a SEAL instructor.

Personally I think it's a good blend of endurance, athleticism, size and strength. Not everyone wants to be a huge bodybuilder.

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As a hardcore ecto who runs to the gym, and does cardio sometimes there too totalling a possible 5 miles every other day...
 
Dunno...I am maintaining or getting bigger...i havent been losing weight in over a year now...That doesnt mean its absolute...Its just...I used to have trouble putting on weight with no cardio, now i can add nice amounts with long distance running.
 
It depends on how good your diet and routine is.
 
If your routine sucks, cardio will just make it that much worse.
 
If your routine is solid, cardio wont do much to it.
 
If youre eating enough, i dont see the problem???
Its not as if cardio suddenly burns away masses of muscle, it burns away masses of fat.
 
The fact is long distance runners are better of being small, as it means theres less weight to run with when doing 10,000 metres (1500 metres is long distance? the hell?)
 
It doesnt mean you HAVE to be small if you long distance run, but if youre thinking of being fast at it, and olympic standard, you need to be scrawny, whats easier, running 10k metres with 200lbs rippling muscle, or running 10k with 125lbs of also pretty much rippling muscle.
 
Its not really something limited to just genius' to answer that.
 
Long distance running is brilliant for improving overall endurance, lung capacity, heart strength etc etc etc.
 
I have to say i have definitely felt the health perks of doing cardio, so what if it ruins my gains by a measly %, im still gaining muscle, and i dont care how long it will take, im 20 years old, im not in any hurry.

      If you train for both you won't get the full effect of either. You will be getting 2 side effects and no main effect. It's in one of Dave Tate's articles on T-nation, if you train for strength you will get bigger as a side effect, and if you train for size you will get stronger as a side effect, but if you train for both you will just get 2 side effects.
       I'm not saying you should avoid all cardio. But if your getting bigger the time it takes  you to run 3 miles will go up. You can have the best of both worlds but you won't be great at either. You need to train for what you want most. I personally do a good bit of cardio, but my goal is not to get bigger. I try to stay strong and in shape for rugby. I do a lot of cardio but it is all based on movements I would do in a game, or to help me gain core strength. I also lift weights put gear my workouts towards rugby as it gets closer to the season. I do get bigger as a side effect but not as big as I would if it was my main goal. I bulk up in the off season.
       While I was bulking this year I put on 10 lbs and now that its closer to the season and I'm adding cardio I've only put on one more pound in the last 2 months.

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I said 1500 meters because I was watching the olympic trials and most of the people who run over 200m are not muscular.

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