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Running - 10/20/2005 8:12:37 AM
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localboyz
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Is there a difference between running on a treadmill and running outside, mind you, for purely fat burning reasons?? Forget stamina, etc.. If my main goal is to lose weight, then does it matter which??
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RE: Running - 10/22/2005 5:07:07 PM
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Its a matter of personal preference. The amount of calories you burn will be determined by heart rate (intensity) and duration.
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RE: Running - 10/25/2005 3:53:09 AM
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Waterboy
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Well i have acess to a gym but not at the monemt until i get my ID,I was wondering how long should I run outside because I play soccer and I'm gonna play football in highschool so i'm trying to get endurance for both.I weigh like 213 or higher and I'm trying to lose fat so I think doing cardio would help just wondering how many miles should a person with not that much endurance at all should start off with so they can build the endurance.
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RE: Running - 11/2/2005 9:14:43 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Waterboy
Well i have acess to a gym but not at the monemt until i get my ID,I was wondering how long should I run outside because I play soccer and I'm gonna play football in highschool so i'm trying to get endurance for both.I weigh like 213 or higher and I'm trying to lose fat so I think doing cardio would help just wondering how many miles should a person with not that much endurance at all should start off with so they can build the endurance.
Don't worry about distance for now, if you arent that big into cardio, just set off some time to do it. I try to run for about 30 mins a day, usually covering 3.25 miles , just over 5 Km's. Try to go for 30 mins or more, at a pace you know you can handle. If you think your going to slow, go a little faster but not too much, chances are you might run steadily for 5 mins then walk............. its better to just run at a constant speed for the whole 30 mins even if it is slow. Also, I bet alot of people dont know this but walking actually burns more fat then running, if its a short run ur going for. When you run, your body burns off like energy stored in muscles before it gets to fat. Thats why they say walking for an hour, beats a 15-20 minute run. However, if you know your gonna run for the whole 30 mins or even more, then go for running over walking. This way you do burn the energy in ur muscles but it does get into the fat eventually.
Summarize :
Length of Exercise is huge for weight loss / fat loss.
Don't go to quick, its not a race, set your own pace.
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RE: Running - 11/13/2005 8:56:13 AM
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when u run u use the energy suply called "glycogen" instead of fat, and when you walk you burn bothe just so u know ;)
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RE: Running - 11/13/2005 9:12:01 AM
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OH, and i will be starting cardio on a moarning, the only problem is i get a really undomfortable pain in my right knee :S im only 15 and its only on a moarning but its for like an hour of me doing cardio, my dad seems to think it could be my age (growing pains) but it only hurts on a moarning, u see i can do a 1-1.5 hour jog with my soccer team on a thursda night just fine, any sudgestions?
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RE: Running - 11/24/2005 1:39:14 PM
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You migh have a "postural distortion"...that is a muscle that is overly tight and another is overly relaxed - creating an imbalance in your skeletal position.
When you get up, the tight one is very tight and so the pulling it exerts is uncomfortable.
I am not sure who (trainer/rehabilitator) you can see there that will know about diagnosing and correcting this.
But with a few exercises/stretches and Self Myofascial release, you can resolve this.
In the meantime warm up very well. End with slow even stretches held (no bouncing) 30 seconds...especailly ID tight areas around the tight knee and warm them up and stretch BEFORE any working out / cardio.
By the way PWG - this is incorrect.
"when u run u use the energy suply called "glycogen" instead of fat, and when you walk you burn bothe just so u know ;)"
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RE: Running - 6/1/2006 1:45:45 AM
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Comick
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if PWG is incorrect, what's the right fact? just curious 
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RE: Running - 6/1/2006 8:06:51 AM
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danmirage
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By the way PWG - this is incorrect.
"when u run u use the energy supply called "glycogen" instead of fat, and when you walk you burn both just so u know ;)"
if PWG is incorrect, what's the right fact? just curious
It can be a bit complex.
There are two basic energy systems - Aerobic and anaerobic
Aerobic is when the body is able to meet the demand for oxygen, such as when you run at low intensities, walk, or do other repetitive movements..and even when you sit in a chair. The Aerobic energy system will use fat and/or glycogen for energy.
Anaerobic is when the body can no longer meet the demand for energy, such as a set of curls to momentary muscle failure. The anaerobic energy system relies upon glycogen.
Basically, the closer to the lactate threshold (the point where you feel it burns too much and you eventually have to stop) you train the more you rely upon glycogen for energy. Think of an all-out sprint at the end of a run...at first the energy system is fat and glycogen, then, as the lactic acid builds up due to the body's inability to keep up with removal..and the burn gets more notable, you start to reach the point of momentary exaustion...that is the lactate threshold. At that point you are using primarily glycogen.
However if you ran and never crossed that threshold, you would continue to burn fat and/or glycogen. The more easily you are able to meet the oxygen needs, as in lower intensity levels at 55% - 70% of maximum, the more it may favor fat burning.
Walking is lower intensity...say 35%-55% of Max..and so also relies on fat and/or glycogen.
So what is the and/or?
If you are loaded with glycogen when you set out to walk or run..you will use more glycogen while burning fat.
If you do it after you lift (lifting being anaerobic and only being able to use glycogen) then your glycogen stores may be depleted and so you will likely use more fat.
HOWEVER!!!
The body has another source for glycogen!!!
MUSCLE and dietary proteins.
If your calories are below BMR, then your body will not likely supply fat for energy. Instead it will hoard fat and store all available calories as fat and burn muscle and dietary proteins.
If your diet does not favor fat release, then you will burn muscle and dietary proteins.
If you eat too few carbs and do not favor fat release...then you burn muscle and dietary proteins when you lift AND when you do cardio...
If you only do cardio and do not challenge muscle...then you surrender muscle faster.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. It is even more complex than this. You could take a physiology class and get the whole scheme, and even then only a few instructors understand the whole effect...so you might not understand all the interactions in a real world application...
Example: Lipoprotein lipase is released under certain dietary circumstances. When it is released the body is not able to burn fat. If, at the same time there is insufficient dietary protein and carb intake...then the body will break muscle down to meet energy needs ALL DAY LONG! Simultaneously, the thyroid is altering its release of hormones that determine metabolism...slowing it so that you may not need to lose as much muscle - while you are burning muscle and storing available calories as fat....that is a combination of 4 separate factors that are generally not connected in text books.
When I work with a training client, I teach them to control the hormonal state that the body is in, in order to favor the state that helps them achieve their goal...either muscle gains, fat burning, more energy...we can control all that.
Misinformation and simply being mislead and not "getting it" is why so many people fail to achieve their fitness goals.
Hope that ...errr... helped! 
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RE: Running - 6/1/2006 8:18:56 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: PimpWivGunZ
OH, and i will be starting cardio on a moarning, the only problem is i get a really undomfortable pain in my right knee :S im only 15 and its only on a moarning but its for like an hour of me doing cardio, my dad seems to think it could be my age (growing pains) but it only hurts on a moarning, u see i can do a 1-1.5 hour jog with my soccer team on a thursda night just fine, any sudgestions?
im sorry i couldnt help but say that i never had that problem in the moarning before.
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RE: Running - 6/8/2006 1:38:33 AM
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Comick
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Yes, that helped. So what is the best way to burn fat then? And what's a diet that favours fat burning?
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