Routine Overhaul Help

 Hi fellas,
I need some help with my current routine and planning my next one. I am currently doing:

Chest and Tris (Mon, Thur)
Back and Bis (Tue, Fri)
Legs, Shoulders (Wed, Sat)

I have seen some good gains and I don't feel I am overtraining. My concern is having legs and shoulders the same day. I'd do shoulders the same day as chest but by the time I get to them, I am zapped. What would be a better split?

Chest and Back (Day 1)
Arms (Shoulders, Tris, Bi's) Da 2
Legs (Day 3)

OR

Chest, Sho
Tri's, Bi's
Legs and Back 

I DO NOT want to do a pull/push routine or lower/upper routine. I have tried it in the past and have seen very little results. I have found that split bodyparts is what works best for me. 

Also, what do you guys do for the medial delt and outer bi's and tri's? I'm having a hard time hitting those, ESPECIALLY mid delts and outer bi's. It doesn't matter what variation of the side laterals I do or with what weight, I always feel it on my traps and anterior delts. I appreciate your help.

Might want to check your form on the laterals.  I do mine with "stiff arms" pratically straight but slightly bent.  And bring them to parralel with the ground, while pouring a cup as if to keep my wrists in a fashion that my thumbs are not up but more down so the dumbell is tipped past parralel with floor closer to it. 

Do you do any cable lateral's? I mix it up from time to time.

As for training split, I really like mine, plenty of rest although sometimes I want to hit the gym more, this keeps me consistent.

Chest/Biceps(monday)  Allows me fresh use of my biceps
Legs(tuesday)
rest(wednesday)
Back/Triceps(thursday) again can focus hard on triceps and my biceps are rested already from monday
Shoulders(friday)
rest(sat)
rest(sunday)

I was skeptical of doing something like this before I tried it, and it has really grown on me.  Shoulders are never sore from chest day when I do them and on chest day shoulders are fealing better already from my friday workout.

http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/Seos-Log-2008-m442008.aspx

Awesome man..I really like that split, I'll try it next week. Thanks!

The chest/tri back/bi legs/shoulders is the best split imo, it's the only split i've ever seen results from, only done 2 different splits ever though..It's different for everyone but personally 1 time a week is just not enough..

Goals by end of 2009:
Bench 205
Squat 255 ATG
Squat Clean 185

"There is no elevator to success, you must take the stairs."

Yeah Connelly, I hit each body part 2x a week as well. I've tried lots of different splits and routines and hitting each part once per week has not given me any results. 

I've made awesome gains with my current routine imo on each major muscle but I feel the smaller ones are lagging..I was wondering if maybe I need to change my approach.

I do 4-6 sets per exercise and about 4-5 exercises for each major muscle (chest, back, legs), 5-8 reps, very heavy weights. I do 3-4 sets and 4 exercises per small body part (bi's, tri's, shoulders) and same, 5-8 reps very heavy. I know some people may think that I'm doing too much chest, back and legs but that's what has worked for me and I'm sticking to that. I'm just wondering if maybe I should go lower on the smaller muscles (9 sets total, 8-12 reps)

I like your original, but only do shoulders on Wednesdays, and do your legs only on Saturdays.

Optimum, I do legs and shoulders on wed and sat. I hit each body part twice a week.

DigitalGhost


Yeah Connelly, I hit each body part 2x a week as well. I've tried lots of different splits and routines and hitting each part once per week has not given me any results. 

I've made awesome gains with my current routine imo on each major muscle but I feel the smaller ones are lagging..I was wondering if maybe I need to change my approach.

I do 4-6 sets per exercise and about 4-5 exercises for each major muscle (chest, back, legs), 5-8 reps, very heavy weights. I do 3-4 sets and 4 exercises per small body part (bi's, tri's, shoulders) and same, 5-8 reps very heavy. I know some people may think that I'm doing too much chest, back and legs but that's what has worked for me and I'm sticking to that. I'm just wondering if maybe I should go lower on the smaller muscles (9 sets total, 8-12 reps)

It is more sets/exercises than I would do but I wouldn't say it's to much, just a different preference. Also keep doing legs and shoulders wed and sat don't do 1 wed 1 sat.. Also shoulders are a very large muscle group by the way (:

Goals by end of 2009:
Bench 205
Squat 255 ATG
Squat Clean 185

"There is no elevator to success, you must take the stairs."