Replacing the Deadlift

 
I do not enjoy doing DLs And overall i find them an inherently dangerous exercise (more so than any other heavy compound movement). I know how to do them correctly and do so. however, due to previous horror stories and a paranoia i have developed about doing them i want to nix them completely.
 
As unreasonable as this may sound to some of you i am not here to convince you of my reasoning but to find as beneficial a replacement as possible.
 
That being said...i know everyones first reaction is going to be you cannot replace it/ no other exercise will out weight it benefits wise, etc. This i understand andagree with. However, i perform heavy squats and power cleans regularly so i am not totally worried about missing out on all that great GH release provided by heavy compound movements. What i want to know is: if you could no longer do heavy deadlifts, you had no choice what exercises would you choose to ensure that you still hit your back heavy and hard????
 
I am currently using the texas method for training and have seen consistant results for over a month now. I was thinking about replacing the DLs with heavy v-bar rows (5x5) and them supplementing the rows with alternating weighted pull ups or shrugs both also (5x5). This would allow me to continue to follow the texas method for the most part.
 
So my routine would now look like:
Monday being volume, wed being recovery day,and friday new 5 rep maxes.
 
Week one:
Bench 5x5
Squats 5x5
Barbell v-bar rows 5x5
Barbell shrugs/ weighted pull ups  5x5  * alternated each week
 
Week two:
Standing military 5x5
Squats 5x5
Powerclean 5x5
 
so what do you think? Is this a horrible idea or will i be ok with this?

5'11"
170lbs

Bench 260lbs
Squat  360lbs
Deadlift 385lbs

thanks for the thread.

i dont do DL either. but i plan to start soon after i get a new coach/partner who knows how to do it n can guide me through it.
im doing t-bar rows till then. im getting good gains though.. with t-bars that is.

but my feeling is that the t-bars are not exactly a substitute for DLs and i am gonna be doing DLs pretty soon whether i like them or not.

Anbe Sivam. Period.

I just don't understand how you can hate them so much.  Sure, they are taxing, but damn it's such a great exercise.  Next to powercleans, they are my favorite exercise.  It's how you know truly how strong you are.  Sorry I'm not answering your question, but I just find it hard to believe someone can hate them so much 

I said nothing about hating them, or that the taxing nature of them was the reason i did not want to them.

Again, it would be nice if people would focus on the question in the provided scenario. Telling me how incredulous you are to my personal feelings on an exercise doesnt do me or anyone else who has or will have a similar issue any good.

5'11"
170lbs

Bench 260lbs
Squat  360lbs
Deadlift 385lbs

Pull-ups
Rowing movements
Hyper-extensions
Selected hamstring exercises (just in case this wasn't factored into your leg training)

All will give you a strong, thick, wide back.  Sometimes the movement doesn't jive with a person.  Disc issues?  Just damn painful (one guy I know could do squats but it was painful in a very bad way).

You'll need to hit your posterial region.  And be mindful of your hamstrings.

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some good back and hamstrings exercise you could use are Good Mornings, I did htem yesterday and I sure am feeling it, these need to be performed properly. 

You don't have to deadlift every week.  It would be a good exercise to do even once or twice a month.  But what Marc David said is right about getting that back built.

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 Power cleans are more dangerous than deadlifts.  

Probably for the same reasons you don't want to do deadlifts and more.

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why do people get so prissy when you make a point and dont directly answer a question? jeez.

anyway, good mornings are good as a kind of hyperextension exercise, rows and pullups. squats minus a belt will hit your lower back.

Bench Press Max - 170kg @ 100kg
Squat Max - 220kg @100kg
Deadlift Max - 275kg @100kg

Weight - 90kg

Thank you marc david and seoinage for your insightful and pertinent responses. I will definitely keep your suggestions in mind. I am planning on implementing the shrugs and heavy rows into my volume and max days. and will throw good mornings/hyperextensions in on my recovery day since it is a lighter day and will go well with my ab workout.


bigboss im gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one. First off thats totally subjective. Im pretty sure there is no research to prove that powercleans are more dangerous than deadlifts....and even then (assuming both are being performed correctly) im more inclined to believe deadlifts would be more dangerous simply because the amount of wieght is usually much more during deads than powercleans. That being said, again, i never said anything about not wanting to do them because they were dangerous. I do heavy squats and powercleans regularly and have no problem doing them despite their inherent risk. Like marc david said above sometimes a lift just doesnt "jive" with someone.

and leeman how come some people get so prissy and when other members make reasonable requests? Im unsure as to why you have such an issue with me redirecting my thread back to the topic at hand...especially when spouting off non-sense on this board is such a common occurence and does absolutely no one any good.

5'11"
170lbs

Bench 260lbs
Squat  360lbs
Deadlift 385lbs

You got your answer, and I am not trying to argue... There is certainly an exercise or two that just don't jibe with me either.

However, every time I read someone feels that deads are more dangerous than power cleans, I automatically assume (or it leads me to believe), that they are dead lifting with too much weight and poor form, and power cleaning with too little weight and poor form.

I don't understand how controlled pulling is more dangerous than jumping with weight, throwing it (by using your traps primarily) straight up in front of your face, and catching it in your delts, in a quarter squat.

Not saying that is what you are doing, but it is the impression that posts like this always give me...

power cleans, or any olympic lift for that matter are more dangerous than deadlifts.

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Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

...if your not deadlifting your not powerlifting...

just my opinion...

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im starting out on deadlifts from thursday    

Anbe Sivam. Period.