Read this if you've made little or no gains!

ORIGINAL: core

An absolute begginer can practice compound movements with very little weight. The words "compound movement" seems to scare many people. It doesn't mean you have to have to have a ten ton weigh on your back. Having said that, isolations may be acceptable depending on their goals. I'm sure a lot of people visit the forum just to lose a few pounds and add a bit mass. I accept thats it's not all "hardcore".

 
My point is this - sure ideally everyone should start on the compounds with minimal poundages BUT that is just not going to happen.
 
Why? Because the important compounds are 'ugly' and difficult and take lots of practice to perfect it. Beginners starting on these movements will undoubtedly be discouraged because these are very difficult to do properly, are 'hard' exercises to do, and they cannot achieve good poundages in them in a few weeks without taking some sort of injury risk. Squats and deadlifts arent exactly the most enjoyable exercise for the average begginner. People will not continue doing something they do not enjoy.
 
What we want to achieve with the beginners is to get them to ENJOY the sport. This can be achieved by starting them on a program which requires minimal thinking and fairly safe.
 
Exercises such as deadlifts and squats should not be forced onto or preached repeatedly to beginners because it will just turn them off because the common 'opinion' is that these exercises are for the 'guys who want to get huge and take roids' (as sad as it is, this is the common thinking of newbies and those who arent familiary with BB)
 
What you can do is suggest these exercises to newbies  and after theyre comfortable with the gym environment, have adequate strength to be able to lift something more than just the bar (because that in itself is discouraging) and have interest enough to read up and learn about the other exericses in bodybuilding and attempt them.
 
Major compounds should be practiced because the person wants to, not because they have to or should. Or else, the enjoyment factor is taken out of the game, and THATS ultimately what determines a winner from a quitter.

Lynx100

If mosts people hear I'm some 18 year old, with only less than a year experience with training and with information I'm trying to pass around. What's the first impression they will get. In mosts cases I'll get knocked around and the information I'm going to try and pass on will get step all over.

 
Like i said, you know enough to not have to lie about yourself to get credibility. Your knowledge and the number of people youve helped speaks for itself. Youve obviously looked into this sport a bit and have developed a sound knowledge bank. Lies aside, youve earned kudo's from a lot of people.
 
Stick to being yourself, its much easier than being someone else.
 
 

ORIGINAL: Lynx100
Why? Because the important compounds are 'ugly' and difficult and take lots of practice to perfect it.

Your indeed right it takes alot of practice, this why I state to start off light and by all means even lighter than standard bar as well to have someone who knows there stuff work with them for 3months to guide them in there technique, form and breathing.

ORIGINAL: Lynx100
Squats and deadlifts arent exactly the most enjoyable exercise for the average begginner. People will not continue doing something they do not enjoy.

This applies to those who aren't serious in gaining in size and strength. This applies to any sport in general ie;Someone who enjoys baseketball for the fun of it doesn't necessarily have to do certain drills to try to become best basketball player. For some who enjoys it and is serious about the sport and becoming the bests which in most cases drills such as "suicide drills" which is one of most out of interests during practice but it is a must inorder to improve on the skill.

Same go's for those who say they enjoy wieght lifting but at the same time serious about size and strength. I try to encourage you need major movements, to get anywhere near that and before worrying about little details. Those who become bored I've always stated to switch back and forth from cycle to cycle ie;If you get bored doing back squats do front, if you get bored doing deadlifts, do Sldl's or cleans.

ORIGINAL: Lynx100
Major compounds should be practiced because the person wants to, not because they have to or should. Or else, the enjoyment factor is taken out of the game, and THATS ultimately what determines a winner from a quitter.

I've stated I'm not forcing anyone, it's there choice. I'm only applying advice, They don't have to do it. I even stated anything I say is meant as a guideline not the letter of the law.

And those dumb arguments had better stop. It's not good when new members see such things on an otherwise very nice forum.
 
I'm a bloody beginner myself, and I must say that PureNatural's stuff has brought me quite some progress. Yes, my poundages are ridiculous compared to what others show up with. But my poundages are absolutely real and I see no reason why I should ever lie about that. After all, I'm not a weight lifter. I do that sports just to improve my health a little.
 
I had always been afraid of deadlifts, squats, and all the good stuff. And they would certainly not be a good idea if I tried to lift the poundages of some people around here. But if you them light, you have a good chance to get used to the form. And then you can slowly add weight. Rome wasn't built in a day, either.
 
Personally, I don't give a damn how long PureNatural has been into the sport. If you're serious about the sport, you'll be reading up on it. The stuff I find that works for me, I'm going to recommend to others. I just hope they don't mind that I have less than 5 months experience.
 
PureNatural might be a liar, I don't know, and I don't care. And yes, you will find tons of liars on all bodybuilding sites. I simply don't believe the poundages most people add to their signatures - especially when a guy who has trained less than I have claims he can lift twice his body weight on the Flat Bench Press. There are so many people in the gym I work out, and no single beginner with less than a year can lift his own body weight.
 
So if you don't like liars, then you should try it with Microsoft's site. But I doubt they'll tell you the truth about most stuff - and it definitely won't help you with lifting. But PureNatural did help me - so please stop flaming him. His knowledge deserves recognition.

Destiny is a game you can't win. If you act accordingly, you can lose it the best way possible.

Before you get all up in arms about your boyfriend Crashcoder, Noone ever doubted or flamed his knoweledge.

And if you read the thread CAREFULLY, you will see that i did recognise his knowledge, which i said is all the more impressive seeing as though he hasnt been in the game long.

PureNatural lied. He was caught out. He was man enough to admit it. His knowledge of the sport has been commended. And all is 'good in the hood'. No need to get your panties in a knot. Move on already, everyone else has...

Lynx you could do better, you know his comments had nothing revovling around being boyfriends.

I have though been told at times here I knew nothing, routines I've advised barely hits anything, I'm ignorant, it only works for me ect ect.

edit -  crash coder, I appreciate the support but don't worry about it bud. I had to come clean sooner or later. I knew with my advice and typical routines going around I know I was gonna step all over so I thought in order to pass on the help(those that are serious about size and strength) I had to give myself a background, rather than coming in here as a nobody.

But I realise that with knowledgable information, doesn't matter who you are or where you stand you'll get the credit and reputation for being yourself.

Other than that, my pics, stats and were I've worked isn't lie. Continue on doing what you have to do, and be glad to help others with your advice. I'm glad as well things are going good and I'm sure you'll get better every step of the way. Keep up the training. If you need anyhelp I'll be around

Like you and others have said let's all stop arguing and continue with the topic of this thread

Lynx you could do better, you know his comments had nothing revovling around being boyfriends.

 
I wasnt being literal... it was just a figure of speech
 

  But I realise that with knowledgable information, doesn't matter who you are or where you stand you'll get the credit and reputation for being yourself.

 
Spot on!

ORIGINAL: Lynx100

Before you get all up in arms about your boyfriend Crashcoder, Noone ever doubted or flamed his knoweledge.

 
And I thought moderators here have leadership qualities. Looks like it's time to search for a better forum than this one.

Destiny is a game you can't win. If you act accordingly, you can lose it the best way possible.

And I thought moderators here have leadership qualities. Looks like it's time to search for a better forum than this one.

Being a little oversensitive dont you think?

^ LOL. All you guys make me laugh. 

ORIGINAL: Lynx100
Being a little oversensitive dont you think?

 
This has nothing to do with being oversensitive. As I see it, it has to do with respect. You, as a moderator, should be an example for others. What example are you giving if you get personal at such a low level? Being a moderator on any forum means that you need to deal with people on a pure professional level and never become personal. Use the same ethical standards teachers should be using inside a classroom and you’ll do fine. If you have a personal issue with anybody, get in contact with him / her and say everything you have to say. But you should contribute to keeping this forum clean and not the other way round. If you can’t stick to such simple rules, then you have no business in being a moderator. And I think that it’s with the remaining moderators to control that whatever the cost, that’s why I posted in the feedback section as well. So it sure should be dealt with involving other moderators, but that is certainly going to happen behind the scenes.
 
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t have anything against you personally – on the contrary. However, you should review what you’re doing in public because it stains the image of these forums. Remember that people come here because of the otherwise great image, but they don’t have to. They’ll contribute as long as they think it’s worthwhile. I’m not being oversensitive, nor do I feel attacked or offended or whatever. It’s the principle that counts, keep that in mind. That's why this will be my last post here.

Destiny is a game you can't win. If you act accordingly, you can lose it the best way possible.

Lets continue this over PM, were are already moving far off-topic here.
 
Ill PM you soon

^ Lynx100, shouldn't the off-topic which started a few pages ago had already being stopped there? It looks like someone's not doing their job properly.

I'm only kidding, lol..anyways, let's get back to topic....

  ^ Lynx100, shouldn't the off-topic which started a few pages ago had already being stopped there? It looks like someone's not doing their job properly.

I'm only kidding, lol..anyways, let's get back to topic....

 
Ok, thats a fair call !
 
But in my defense, the topic drifted off topic because i was calling out PureNatural because he was misrepresenting himself. Now thats sorted, and this thing with CrashCoder is being sorted, we can all get back to the topic!

ORIGINAL: builtdarntough150
this routine and it's worked that that is a fraud.

He's just trying to get things out in the open so all of these new guys come in here that need advice won't look and say 'well if hes trained all these bodybuilders he must have a good routine and try it' then it not work for them the way it has him.

Routine is a Fraud? It has only worked for me? Hilarious funny it's coming from a guy who states he needs help when I've tried countless times then calls me ignorant. I've only fraud my status because guys like you won't take in advice unless you hear a moderator or someone who has decades of experience.

It's ironic how someone giving advice on others and saying it has worked for him along with crazy poundages let along the 161lb photo and then still indeed needs help for himself

Towards my advice on fraud Let's see some examples

"I've been doing great on that routine you gave me, my deadlift, squat and benchpress numbers have shot up nicely. My question is, today I did my bench press work out, I'm on week 3 and I've been adding 5 pounds every week"

"I have been working out since early January 2006 and have increased the weight on all my exercises "

"Started scrawny... 1/1/2006... 5'8" at 130 lbs 4/13/2006... 5'8" at 151 lbs
Progress is being made!"

"I must say, this routine is working extremely great for me right now!

"I probably started this routine about 4-5 weeks ago and I'v gained just over 3 lbs in muscle, which is very great for me! I usually take extremely long to gain weight and usually see only little changes like 1-2 pounds in several months!

As for my strength, no doubt that I've increased in all my exercises especially deadlifts.

I hope this continues to have great effects for me."

"Bah, I did this for like a month and saw more gains on this than doing Max-Ot for 2 months. I think I'm going to give this another go. Hopefully it'll be supplemental to my cutting."


"Purenatural thanks for the routine, my gains have increased"

"Already on it for 6 weeks im starting to see my strength go up, I'm getting more muscle too"

"Wow I've already added mass on this program, thanks for your help"

"I must say that PureNatural's stuff has brought me quite some progress."