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jazz17782

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Rate My Routine - Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:51 AM ( #1 )
I've been on and off training for the last few months and i've been doing lots of reading in between. My gains have been minimal at best, but I am determined to get somewhere. Based on my goals and using the following two sources below, i have devised what I believe to be a good routine;

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=04-073-training
http://www.bodybuilding-supplement-guide.com/weight-training-super-sets.html

Although this is the first routine i've ever deisgned so i would like some advise and criticism. Again this is not only based on the information on those websites but also other factors which include, time factors, over all goals, comfortability with certain exercises, etc. Its only a 4 week plan for now. But will I extend in pretty much the same way if I am told that this is a good way to proceed.

My primary goal is to build bigger arms and my secondary goals are to build overall mass and to build bigger shoulders. During weeks 1 and 3 I concentrate a certain portion of the exercises to isolating these muscle groups. Also I tried to put in as much variation as possible with all the factors involved, so that I dont suffer from deminished returns due to adaptation.

Please take a look and tell me what you think.

Week 1
Workout 1
Sets: 3 Reps: 5 Rest: 60 seconds between sets
Compound: Barbell Bench Press(Flat), Pull Ups, Barbell Squats, Seated Cable Row(standard)
Single: Preacher Curl using EZ-bar, EZ-Barbell Curl
Workout 2
Sets: 3 Reps: 8 Rest: 90 seconds between sets
Compound; Dumbbell Bench Press(flat), Pull downs, Dumbbell Upright row, Static Lunge
Single: Dumbbell shrug, Dumbbell Seated Lateral Raise
Workout 3
Sets: 2 Reps: 15 Rest: 120 seconds between sets
Compound: Wide grip dips, Military Press with barbell, Pull Ups, Dead lifts(Traditional)
Single: Tricep pushdowns(rope), Bench dip
 
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Week 2 (Super-Sets Antagonist)
Workout 1
Sets: 3 Reps: 5 Rest: 60 seconds between sets

  • Dumbbell Curls, Tricep PushdownLeg Extension, Leg CurlSeated cable row, Bench Press (flat) Workout 2
    Sets: 3 Reps: 8 Rest: 90 seconds between sets
    • EZ-Barbell Curl, EZ-Bar lying tricep extensionLeg Extension, Leg Curl
    • Pull Ups Wide grip dips
    Workout 3
    Sets: 2 Reps: 15 Rest: 120 seconds between sets
    • Preacher Curl using EZ-bar, EZ-Bar overhead triceps extensionLeg Extension, Leg Curl
    • Military Press with barbell, Dumbbell Seated Lateral Raise
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    Week 3
    Workout 1
    Sets: 4 Reps: 5 Rest: 60 seconds between sets
    Compound: Barbell Bench Press(incline), Pull Ups, Barbell Squats, Seated Cable Row (wide grip)
    Single: Preacher Curl using EZ-bar, Dumbbell Curls
    Workout 2
    Sets: 4 Reps: 8 Rest: 90 seconds between sets
    Compound; Dumbbell Bench Press(decline), Pull downs(wide grip), Barbell Upright row, Static Lunge
    Single: Barbell shrug, Dumbbell Seated Lateral Raise
    Workout 3
    Sets: 3 Reps: 15 Rest: 120 seconds between sets
    Compound: Wide grip dips, Military Press with barbell, Pull Ups, Clean and Jerk (As opposed to the jerk and clean. lol)
    Single: Tricep pushdowns(close grip), Bench dip
     
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    Week 4 (Super-Sets Antagonist)
    Workout 1
    Sets: 4 Reps: 5 Rest: 60 seconds between sets
    • Dumbbell Curls, Tricep Pushdown
    • Leg Extension, Leg Curl
    • Seated cable row, Bench Press (flat)
    Workout 2
    Sets: 4 Reps: 8 Rest: 90 seconds between sets
    • EZ-Barbell Curl, EZ-Bar lying tricep extension
    • Leg Extension, Leg Curl
    • Pull Ups Wide grip dips
    Workout 3
    Sets: 3 Reps: 15 Rest: 120 seconds between sets
    • Preacher Curl using EZ-bar, EZ-Bar overhead triceps extension
    • Leg Extension, Leg Curl
    • Military Press with barbell, Dumbbell Seated Lateral Raise
  • coldfire

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    RE: Rate My Routine - Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:38 AM ( #2 )


    ORIGINAL: jazz17782

    I've been on and off training for the last few months and i've been doing lots of reading in between. My gains have been minimal at best, but I am determined to get somewhere. Based on my goals and using the following two sources below, i have devised what I believe to be a good routine;

    http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=04-073-training
    http://www.bodybuilding-supplement-guide.com/weight-training-super-sets.html

    Although this is the first routine i've ever deisgned so i would like some advise and criticism. Again this is not only based on the information on those websites but also other factors which include, time factors, over all goals, comfortability with certain exercises, etc. Its only a 4 week plan for now. But will I extend in pretty much the same way if I am told that this is a good way to proceed.

    My primary goal is to build bigger arms and my secondary goals are to build overall mass and to build bigger shoulders. During weeks 1 and 3 I concentrate a certain portion of the exercises to isolating these muscle groups. Also I tried to put in as much variation as possible with all the factors involved, so that I dont suffer from deminished returns due to adaptation.

    Please take a look and tell me what you think.

    Week 1
    Workout 1
    Sets: 3 Reps: 5 Rest: 60 seconds between sets
    Compound: Barbell Bench Press(Flat), Pull Ups, Barbell Squats, Seated Cable Row(standard)
    Single: Preacher Curl using EZ-bar, EZ-Barbell Curl
    Workout 2
    Sets: 3 Reps: 8 Rest: 90 seconds between sets
    Compound; Dumbbell Bench Press(flat), Pull downs, Dumbbell Upright row, Static Lunge
    Single: Dumbbell shrug, Dumbbell Seated Lateral Raise
    Workout 3
    Sets: 2 Reps: 15 Rest: 120 seconds between sets
    Compound: Wide grip dips, Military Press with barbell, Pull Ups, Dead lifts(Traditional)
    Single: Tricep pushdowns(rope), Bench dip

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Week 2 (Super-Sets Antagonist)
    Workout 1
    Sets: 3 Reps: 5 Rest: 60 seconds between sets

  • Dumbbell Curls, Tricep PushdownLeg Extension, Leg CurlSeated cable row, Bench Press (flat) Workout 2
    Sets: 3 Reps: 8 Rest: 90 seconds between sets
    • EZ-Barbell Curl, EZ-Bar lying tricep extensionLeg Extension, Leg Curl
    • Pull Ups Wide grip dips
    Workout 3
    Sets: 2 Reps: 15 Rest: 120 seconds between sets
    • Preacher Curl using EZ-bar, EZ-Bar overhead triceps extensionLeg Extension, Leg Curl
    • Military Press with barbell, Dumbbell Seated Lateral Raise
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Week 3
    Workout 1
    Sets: 4 Reps: 5 Rest: 60 seconds between sets
    Compound: Barbell Bench Press(incline), Pull Ups, Barbell Squats, Seated Cable Row (wide grip)
    Single: Preacher Curl using EZ-bar, Dumbbell Curls
    Workout 2
    Sets: 4 Reps: 8 Rest: 90 seconds between sets
    Compound; Dumbbell Bench Press(decline), Pull downs(wide grip), Barbell Upright row, Static Lunge
    Single: Barbell shrug, Dumbbell Seated Lateral Raise
    Workout 3
    Sets: 3 Reps: 15 Rest: 120 seconds between sets
    Compound: Wide grip dips, Military Press with barbell, Pull Ups, Clean and Jerk (As opposed to the jerk and clean. lol)
    Single: Tricep pushdowns(close grip), Bench dip

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Week 4 (Super-Sets Antagonist)
    Workout 1
    Sets: 4 Reps: 5 Rest: 60 seconds between sets
    • Dumbbell Curls, Tricep Pushdown
    • Leg Extension, Leg Curl
    • Seated cable row, Bench Press (flat)
    Workout 2
    Sets: 4 Reps: 8 Rest: 90 seconds between sets
    • EZ-Barbell Curl, EZ-Bar lying tricep extension
    • Leg Extension, Leg Curl
    • Pull Ups Wide grip dips
    Workout 3
    Sets: 3 Reps: 15 Rest: 120 seconds between sets
    • Preacher Curl using EZ-bar, EZ-Bar overhead triceps extension
    • Leg Extension, Leg Curl
    • Military Press with barbell, Dumbbell Seated Lateral Raise



  • A beginner's workout should be much more simple. I will suggest you what I suggest every beginner. Starting Strength routine by Mark Rippetoe:

    Workout A
    3x5 Squat
    3x5 Bench Press
    1x5 Deadlift

    Workout B
    3x5 Squat
    3x5 Standing military press
    3x5 Bent over rows (or Power cleans if you know how to do them)

    You train on 3 nonconsecutive days per week.

    So week 1 might look like:
    Monday - Workout A
    Wednesday - Workout B
    Friday - Workout A

    Week 2:
    Monday - Workout B
    Wednesday - Workout A
    Friday - Workout B
    jazz17782

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    RE: Rate My Routine - Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:02 PM ( #3 )

    A beginner's workout should be much more simple. I will suggest you what I suggest every beginner. Starting Strength routine by Mark Rippetoe:

    Workout A
    3x5 Squat
    3x5 Bench Press
    1x5 Deadlift

    Workout B
    3x5 Squat
    3x5 Standing military press
    3x5 Bent over rows (or Power cleans if you know how to do them)

    You train on 3 nonconsecutive days per week.

    So week 1 might look like:
    Monday - Workout A
    Wednesday - Workout B
    Friday - Workout A

    Week 2:
    Monday - Workout B
    Wednesday - Workout A
    Friday - Workout B


    Thank you so much for replying. A couple of questions. How long am I supposed to do the above?  Also can I change some of the reps on the legs to a higher number? I dont want to build as much mass on the legs as I have wider hips than a normal person and so my legs are already very big.

    This seems like a very general workout and I have very specific goals. I mean i want to build mass, but mostly I want to build my upper body so its in proportion to the rest of my body. I have huge legs and so I feel i have to do more on the arms and shoulders to conpensate. Although this work out doesn't seem to take this into account. Is this really the right routine for me?
    coldfire

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    RE: Rate My Routine - Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:39 PM ( #4 )


    ORIGINAL: jazz17782


    A beginner's workout should be much more simple. I will suggest you what I suggest every beginner. Starting Strength routine by Mark Rippetoe:

    Workout A
    3x5 Squat
    3x5 Bench Press
    1x5 Deadlift

    Workout B
    3x5 Squat
    3x5 Standing military press
    3x5 Bent over rows (or Power cleans if you know how to do them)

    You train on 3 nonconsecutive days per week.

    So week 1 might look like:
    Monday - Workout A
    Wednesday - Workout B
    Friday - Workout A

    Week 2:
    Monday - Workout B
    Wednesday - Workout A
    Friday - Workout B


    Thank you so much for replying. A couple of questions. How long am I supposed to do the above? Also can I change some of the reps on the legs to a higher number? I dont want to build as much mass on the legs as I have wider hips than a normal person and so my legs are already very big.

    This seems like a very general workout and I have very specific goals. I mean i want to build mass, but mostly I want to build my upper body so its in proportion to the rest of my body. I have huge legs and so I feel i have to do more on the arms and shoulders to conpensate. Although this work out doesn't seem to take this into account. Is this really the right routine for me?


    First of all, you stay on the program until it stops working. It should take a few months.
    There is no need to change rep range, and I am sorry, but I doubt your legs are really big unless its fat (could you post pics?).
    You really can't build upper body without working the lower too. Concentrating more on the shoulders/arms won't make them bigger. You must make your body grow as a unit or it won't let you grow some parts and get out of balance.

    All your questions are answered in Rippetoe's books (Starting Strength and Practical Programming), but the FAQ here will answer them too. I suggest you read it.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224
    jazz17782

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    RE: Rate My Routine - Saturday, August 18, 2007 1:06 PM ( #5 )
    Sorry the picture couldn't be clearer, but its the best I could do. Hope its possible to see the imbalance between my legs and the rest of my body. I'll try and post another pic if not.

    [image]local://16286/5DAD82AD353A49D58E0F53AA12ADDEC4.JPG[/image]
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    RE: Rate My Routine - Saturday, August 18, 2007 1:17 PM ( #6 )


    ORIGINAL: jazz17782

    Sorry the picture couldn't be clearer, but its the best I could do. Hope its possible to see the imbalance between my legs and the rest of my body. I'll try and post another pic if not.

    [image]local://16286/5DAD82AD353A49D58E0F53AA12ADDEC4.JPG[/image]


    Doesn't look unbalanced to me. Maybe I am wrong.

    Anyway, I don't think this routine will leave you unbalanced if you are (and I don't think you are). On the contrary, I believe it will bring your weak points up. I think you should give it a shot, just read the FAQ.
    jazz17782

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    RE: Rate My Routine - Saturday, August 18, 2007 1:25 PM ( #7 )
    I'll give it a go. It looks like a very easy to follow and quick routine, which means that it'll save me some time. Also it'll mean that it will be easier to follow. To be honest the routine i made was starting to looking dauting. I'll give it my best shot and check the results in a couple of months.

    Thank you very much for the feedback
    coldfire

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    RE: Rate My Routine - Saturday, August 18, 2007 1:51 PM ( #8 )


    ORIGINAL: jazz17782

    I'll give it a go. It looks like a very easy to follow and quick routine, which means that it'll save me some time. Also it'll mean that it will be easier to follow. To be honest the routine i made was starting to looking dauting. I'll give it my best shot and check the results in a couple of months.

    Thank you very much for the feedback


    You are welcome, but I really hope you read the FAQ.
    In case you don't, here are some point for you:

    - Proper form is the most important thing. Don't lift with your ego
    - Don't try to get to failure
    - 3x5 means 3 sets of 5 with constant weight
    - First time, start all lifts with a weight you can easily manage
    - Add weight each workout to every exercise.
    - Don't add too much weight. 5-10 lbs will be fine
    - Eat a lot of food
    - Don't change the program as long as you are adding weight
    - If you get stuck with the weight you probably need a reset. Read the book or at least the link.

    Good luck.
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    RE: Rate My Routine - Saturday, August 18, 2007 5:22 PM ( #9 )
    I have to agree with coldfire, looking at your picture, I don't see any imbalance.. At least nothing that stands out and would need extra attention..
     
    Regarding the routine you posted.. Just a little too complicated for someone starting.. I hate to rag anyone's routine but the one suggested is much better, hits all the major muscles and will be so much easier to follow.. Eat a good diet, plenty of calories and rest... you'll see results.. just give it some time..

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