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RPN Havoc
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Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:22 PM
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So, I ordered some RPN Havoc, and I have used 3-AD in the past, so I know a little bit about legal PH's. Planning - 8 Week Cycle Havoc Weeks 1: 20mg 2: 30mg 3: 40mg 4: 50mg PCT (Gaspari's Novedex XT) Weeks 1: 4 Caps 2: 2 Caps 3: 2 Caps 4: 1 Cap Support Supplements while on cycle and post cycle: Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support (Liver and Prostrate Health) Fish Oil BCAAS Sumperpump250 SizeON Multivitamin Glucosamine & Chondroitin Whey Protein (ON 100% Whey) I have read in places an OTC PCT will work. Novedex is simply a great booster and AI, which should make everything normal again plus the tapering down should completely deny androgenic side effects, especially gyno. Havoc/Epistane doesn't cause gyno anyway, but just to be safe. A lot of people are doing OTC and ending a great cycle; others are using a SERM because I suppose that's their safety safe. The catch: I am 18 years old. I think I would be fine to use the cycle because Havoc/Epistane is not very androgenic, BUT I am always open to discussion and I want to do whats best in the long run. I have a small tiny bit of pubertal gyno, and it would be nice if I could clear that up with this cycle also.
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Re:RPN Havoc
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Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:55 PM
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Ill be honest i dont beleive thats enough for PCT
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Re:RPN Havoc
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Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:37 PM
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Awesome, seeing as how I started early today.. Eh, what do you suggest?
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Re:RPN Havoc
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Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:17 PM
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i mean i always thought u needed nolvadex but i mean i guess it dpeends
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Re:RPN Havoc
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Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:29 PM
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just hope ure nipples dont get sore or ure ****ed..
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Re:RPN Havoc
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Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:41 PM
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I just used toremifene and had no problems. If you're going to do that though you may as well dose it high (the havoc) and for 6-8 weeks.
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Re:RPN Havoc
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Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:38 PM
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yeah I read up and almost ordered that myself, novedex is not good for pct, your going to want nolvadex or clomid. Thats just from what I gathered online, you run a big risk of gyno if thats all your doing for pct. *also if you want to look at it positively you didnt really waste your money, you can use the novedex xt as a stand alone test booster later on after all this. The only thing I read is you want to taper it off towards the end, this was on their official forums I believe. You should do some more reading on this as well, seeing as how you thought it was strong enough to take for pct with havoc.
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Re:RPN Havoc
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Friday, April 10, 2009 8:37 AM
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I would probably use tamoxifen (cheap at least) something like 20/20/10/10 and 6-Oxo weeks 3-6.
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Re:RPN Havoc
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Friday, April 10, 2009 10:27 AM
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Okay so taper off some tamoxifen citrate like Adam said, and then use Novedex after to help boost test back up? Sounds like a plan. By the way, I am pulsing so the Havoc is going to last exactly 8 weeks. Weeks (3x Per week; Wednesday, Friday, Sunday) 1: 10mg, 20mg, 30mg 2-8: 40mg Where did you guys get your Tamox? I have seen a lot of sites, but I duno how legit they are.
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