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Powerlifting Routine
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Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:19 AM
My friend would like to start powerlifting, we've been working out together and hes a bigger guy. He wants to be a powerlifting, not just a bodybuilder, so i need a routine for him. 3x a week ive seen you can do (back/legs/chest) but he also needs arms because that is one of his 3 passions in lifting. Please and Thank You
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RE: Powerlifting Routine
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Saturday, May 07, 2005 11:58 AM
I just copied this from a site... could modify it for your needs....  The Original 5x5 Program
---5X5---
Monday: Squats, Benching, Rows
Weds: Squats, Military Presses, Deadlifts, Chins
Friday: Squats, Benching, Rows
Courtesy of bill starr bill starr, the greatest strength coach who ever lived, popularized this in the 70's with his great book, The Strongest Shall Survive, which was aimed at strength training for football. I believe he had essentually two different programs which both are 5 sets of 5. The first, which is more suitable for beginners, is to simply do 5 sets of 5 with similar weight jumps between each set so that your last set is your top weight. When you get all 5 on the last set, bump all your weights up 5 or 10lbs. Example for squat... 185 for 5, 225 for 5, 275 for 5, 315 for 5, 365 for 5. If you get 365 for 5, move all weights up. This is especially good for someone who is just learning a particular exercise like the squat, because the amount of practice with light but increasing weights is a good way to practice form.
For more advanced lifters, he advocated a warmup, then 5 sets of 5 with a set weight. For example, the same athlete used in the other example may do 135 for 5, 185 for 5, 225 for 3, 275 for 2, 315 for 1, then 350 for 5 sets of 5. When successfull with all 25 reps at 350lbs, bump the weight up the next workout by 5 or 10lbs.
This is not outdated, and is a good program for gaining strength. Many elite athletes still use it during at least part of the year. I in fact do 5 sets of 5 on squatting for 4 weeks as part of an 8 or 10 week training cycle. Personally, i do it 3 times a week, but most people will probably make better progress doing it 2 times per week, or even doing version 1 once a week, and version 2 once a week.
In any event i described a system in a post a while back that goes something like this:
Monday use the heaviest weight you can for all 5 sets (same weight each set)---- in other words when you get all 5 sets of 5 reps up the weight (most workouts you will get 3 or 4 sets of 5- and maybe your last one will be for 3 or 4 reps)
Wednesday use 10-20% less weight- in other words if you used 200lbs on monday use 160-180lbs on wednesday- actual amount depending on your recovery
Friday work up to a max set of 5-
In other words lets say that your best ever set of 5 is 215lbs and you used 200lbs on monday for 5 sets and 170lbs on wednesday. On friday your workout might be like this 95 for 5 135 for 5 175 for 5 200 for 5 then attempt 220 for your last set of 5.
This tends to work better as a long term program than doing the same thing 3 times a week. On exercises where you only do them once a week like deadlift you can just do the 5 sets of 5 like i described. On monday on exercises that you are only doing twice (rows) you could do both exercises like the monday workout or lighten one of them depending on your recovery ability. Be conservative with the weight when you start- that is important.
Also i have used this program VERY often with athletes and it IS result producing. However many of your gains will show up after you use it for 4-6 weeks and you switch to training a bit less frequently and lower the reps and volume. However this is one program i have had a LOT of success with. In fact i rarely if ever use it with athletes who are at the top of their weight class because it causes too much weight gain unless you severely restrict your food.
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RE: Powerlifting Routine
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Saturday, May 07, 2005 1:01 PM
More from the same site, the below actually looks awesome!! I have been thinking of going on a more Powerlifting routine for a while now. This one would be perfect for me, but I work out with my gf now... and I don't know how she like it... a Powerlifting coach had me doing a similar thing a while back, I was sore as hell!!
The 5X5:
Monday:
Olympic Squats 5x5 (same weight)
Benching 5x5 (flat, close grip or regular)(same weight)
JS Rows 5x5 (same weight)
Accessory (low volume triceps and abs)
Wednesday:
Olympic Squats 5x5 (reduced 15-20% from Monday) or Front Squats 5x5
Standing Military Press 5x5 (same weight)
Deadlifts 5x5 (same weight) (if you pull 2.5x bodyweight do 3x5)
Pull ups 5x5 (use weight if you need it)
Accessory (biceps and abs)
Friday:
Olympic Squats 5x5 (working up each set)
Benching 5x5 (flat or incline)(same weight)
Rows 5x5 (same weight)
Accessory (low volume triceps and abs)
The idea is simple: pick a weight you can do for 5 sets of 5, and if you complete all the sets and reps, then next time bump the weight up 5 or 10 pounds.
Before beginning the program it is important to establish 1 rep maxes for the squat, bench press, military press, and deadlift, and 5 rep maxes for the squat, bench press, rows, military press, and deadlifts.
The first week, it is important to begin very conservatively and prepare to set new 5 rep maxes on about the 4th-6th week, rather than the 1st or 2nd week. It will take some time for your body to grow accustomed to training this way, and in the beginning you’re gonna be sore as hell.
If you get all the sets and reps, then you increase the weight (5-10lbs) for the next week, and if not, you keep the weight the same.
Try and set new 5 rep maxes on weeks 4-6 for beginners , and weeks 3-4 for veterans and then move to a 3x3 for 2x per week.
Run the 3x3 for 2-3 weeks, drop the squatting frequency to 2x per week (or even every 4-5 days if you need the additional recovery), and try setting records on the 4th or 5th workout. (Also, weight increase are the important thing here).
Then cycle down to 1 set of 3 for 2 or 3 workouts, and maybe even go for a max single at the end.
So basically what you get is a 4-6 week prep phase, followed by a 3-5 week peaking phase.
One point – during the initial phase where 5x5 is being used you MUST stick to the required volume and frequency. Back off the weight if you have to, but always get in all 5 sets of 5.
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RE: Powerlifting Routine
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Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:21 PM
I guess it's just me going on this post, anyway... that whole 5x5 (As well as doing like a 3x10 with the same weight) makes a lot of sense to me, so I am thinking of incorporating into my own routine. This is a big change from anything that I am used to... as far as rep schemes and volume, but not to drastic that it's going to change our days that we go. The past routines that I've done I would always try to group the movements with that bodypart together... the above are grouped accourdning to their difficulty, the hardest first and so on... I'm going to have to stray from my beloved Pre-Exhaust method for a coupld of months... lol. Going to try and mix it up and lift max weights..... if I get the weight for that week, bump it up!
<message edited by Weapon X on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:51 PM>
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RE: Powerlifting Routine
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Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:00 PM
thanks for the reply man, ill tell him to read this site... i appreciate it a lot
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RE: Powerlifting Routine
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Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:59 PM
Yea dude, check it out. I did the Thursdays workout incorporaying the 5x5 today. Check out my journal entry for comments on that... felt awesome!!!!
I'm sure he could come up with something incorporating all the info I copied....
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RE: Powerlifting Routine
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Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:30 PM
He was very grateful. Printed it all out. He's definetly gonna be there 3x a week now. Haha, my workout buddy has become a powerlifter, i need a new one
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RE: Powerlifting Routine
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Tuesday, May 31, 2005 6:05 PM
A good workout ive been usinf since about eighth grade is what i call uppers and lowers, you do three sets of six at a weight that can be handeled pretty well but not to easily then you up the weight 30 pounds and do three sets of three. Every workout you up only the sixes then teh 3's so there should never be more than a 25 pound differnece.
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RE: Powerlifting Routine
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Tuesday, May 31, 2005 6:29 PM
could you give an example like
you do 3x6 at 150
then you do 3x3 or something i dont kno im just confused soundsdemanding
if you're cup's already full then its bound to overflow
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