Please help, routine to get bigger

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

lol you sound like a whiny girl who didnt get her way, glad you unsubscribed

You look like a whiny girl with a buzzed head. I'm sure the lurkers who look at my avatar and your avatar will SUBSCRIBE to my brand of bodybuilding because they wanna look like a monster, not like someone on the French Olympic bicycling team.

You have a sissy comeback for everything I say. I don't need to continue proving any points because both you and I have avatars showing our results from putting our own ideology into play. That's why I'm unsubscribing. Your avatar proves who the whiny girl is, pencil boy.

bahaha, ohhh you were being serious, dude you look pathetic its ok, i mean who cares if you got ****tits from the ph's i'm sure you'll get over the self image issue.  As for proving points to me, you dont prove anything you ramble and rant about useless crap that doesnt pertain to anything, as smouz pointed out on numerous occassions.  I'm sure if someone wants to look like you they... nvm no one is really gunna wanna look like that.

ohh and even better not your myspace your gf's, she could do better.

i'm just stepping in to put my two cents worth......

deadly superstar is a big guy; he does have a lot of muscle. 

you are a lean, cut guy, who has a lot of muscle. 

but seriously, think about it, if deadly had the same bf% as you, he'd look amazing.  his methods have worked for him, and yours work for you.

but going off and insulting someone's girlfriend and that person is just kind of overstepping the line to me.  to me, everyone has their own opinion, and that's cool.  but i don't ever insult someone or their girlfriend just because of something they say to me. 

trust me deadly is like a child, he will go on a temper tantrum and everyone kinda goes ohh my bad dude.  Once in awhile he needs to be laid into because all he has ever done is rant and rave about ph's and how much of a badass he is and to be frank the forum was better without him.  And if he has the same bodyfat as me he would look dumb because he is so disproportionate it isnt funny.

it's all good. everyone has their testosterone highs every once in a while.  i have mine where i feel like hitting and beating the sh*t out of everyone i pass.  it's just one of those things

watching someone be childish is one thing, but stooping to the same level.....is it really any different?

i don't think either of you are being "childish", i just think the intentional direction of the path of this thread has kind of been skewered........

gotta act like a child to get through to one...

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

gotta act like a child to get through to one...

but then what does that make you?

i'm not sure about you, but when i was a child, my parents scared the sh*t out of me, and got through perfectly fine

lol my folks did too, but talking rationally with someone obviously doesnt always work, sometimes being harsher is needed.  Since he is so pompous and full of himself i think it suites him anyways.

and to be honest you should have seen all the threads before he left the first time, all the arguments, just plain dumb remarks and comments he made to people, a great deal of people were happy he left

so this isnt the first or the second or even the third time he has done stuff like this, i wish when he left he was banned, but thats just me

ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

ORIGINAL: Beefcake

My whole body gets trained 2x a week so my nervous system cant recover from training to failure every workout. I do train to failure quite a bit but not TOO much. lol

what's your split like?

if you calculate your needed amounts of protein and carbs for a post workout meal, you'd be fine

 
Im doing the 3D POF routine. I posted it in the routine section. I do 10 full reps and then x reps to failure on alot of the excercises. I also have some drop sets which usualy bring me to failure too. I'm only doing 1-3 sets per excersise so I go too failure alot more than I used too when I was doing 4-5 sets on a different split.

17 years old
180 pounds

dirty bulk= fail
X-repper forever

On the race to 190 and 17 inch arms

ORIGINAL: Beefcake

ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

ORIGINAL: Beefcake

My whole body gets trained 2x a week so my nervous system cant recover from training to failure every workout. I do train to failure quite a bit but not TOO much. lol

what's your split like?

if you calculate your needed amounts of protein and carbs for a post workout meal, you'd be fine

Im doing the 3D POF routine. I posted it in the routine section. I do 10 full reps and then x reps to failure on alot of the excercises. I also have some drop sets which usualy bring me to failure too. I'm only doing 1-3 sets per excersise so I go too failure alot more than I used too when I was doing 4-5 sets on a different split.

i see. i'll have to check that out

do you train to failure all year around though?  I know a lot of the routines will have periods of failure training but it is cycled with other forms

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

do you train to failure all year around though?  I know a lot of the routines will have periods of failure training but it is cycled with other forms

 
I havent been doing the routine that long but with the gains I'm getting I'm not stopping any time soon. Most of the time when people go to failure its acualy their nervous system failing and not their muscles. I do x reps to failure which brings the muscle to failure instead. I've never achieved such a pump in my life.

17 years old
180 pounds

dirty bulk= fail
X-repper forever

On the race to 190 and 17 inch arms

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

lol my folks did too, but talking rationally with someone obviously doesnt always work, sometimes being harsher is needed.  Since he is so pompous and full of himself i think it suites him anyways.

and to be honest you should have seen all the threads before he left the first time, all the arguments, just plain dumb remarks and comments he made to people, a great deal of people were happy he left

so this isnt the first or the second or even the third time he has done stuff like this, i wish when he left he was banned, but thats just me

Soccerking3000 is just mad that he doesn't have anything anyone wants. If he did, he'd have people continually trying to hate on him. But he doesn't, because he doesn't.

He makes cheap shots on my career and gf. SK3000 is the first to take this from a BBing discussion to a personal one. Look at all the other arguments I've dealt with in the past, and you will see that it always began when SOMEONE ELSE took the discussion from BBing, to personal attacks on me. They will begin following me from thread to thread trying to troll me.

The proof in in the posts. Y'all haters start it, and I have no problem giving you a taste of your own medicine because when it comes down to it, YOU HAVE NOTHING I WANT. Not your weenie muscles, not your sport of choice... nothing. Sure, the show I signed on for didn't make it to air, but I get a fat paycheck every month just to workout and eat and in my spare time, click over here and talk to the cool cats, and insult the haters. A day in the life...

If SK3000 really had a prob with me, he'd just hit the block button. I used to block people all the time.

OFFICIALLY UNSUBSCRIBED. Feel free to get your last jabs in, scarecrow.

getting paid to workout would be nice.  i was going to do a comp that i was almost certain i would win at the junior stage, but problems arose.  i was in talks with a representative from silverbac to get sponsored depending on how i did in the comp.  too bad i couldn't do it.

it'd be nice.....maybe one day

i gotcha, right i get the cns fatigue, but i dont get your rep/set setup, 2 sets not to failure and then one to failure?

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

i gotcha, right i get the cns fatigue, but i dont get your rep/set setup, 2 sets not to failure and then one to failure?

 
No I do 2 sets of 10, but after I get 10 full reps done, I will do x rep partials until I hit failure to make sure I'm activating as many muscle fibers as possible without my nervous system crapping out.

17 years old
180 pounds

dirty bulk= fail
X-repper forever

On the race to 190 and 17 inch arms

ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

I don't care if you mistake confidence for conceitedness. It's also easier for a shorter guy to have more muscle development than someone my height. It's harder for someone my height to get to my size than it is for someone 5'10".

Bottom line is, you can try to downplay me all you want. I could care less. All of you who are just screennames and no photos and claim to be gurus have no effect on my opinions.

No one is arguing that fact that it's much more difficult for a taller person to gain mass such as yourself, but with that said, it greatly depends on body type and not height alone. I can't speak for everyone on this board but I have never tried to down play you or anyone else. And regarding the guru's??? I"m not sure who your talking about cause I've never seen any regular member on this board state they are or even pretend to be a guru..

And there's a huge difference between confidence and making pompas statements like you have made in several of the posts in this thread.

My last word on this thread is this:

1. If you want to become a monster, well even as a beginner, you need to learn all the exercises and lift heavy.

2. You need to develop good habits from the start, so it makes no sense just to do 6-7 exercises for your entire body.

3. Unless you know pro or semi-pro bodybuilders, don't come on here saying "Have you seen [enter BBer's name here]? Well he does this". I know tons of bodybuilders, and yes, lots of WWE Superstars are considered bodybuilders even if they aren't hypertrophied to the point they can't wipe their own ass, and I know this for a bona-fide fact-

A LOT OF BBERS LIE ABOUT THEIR WORKOUTS & THEIR DIETS. THEY DON'T WANT TO TRAIN THEIR FUTURE COMPETITION BY SHOWING ALL THE CARDS THEY'RE HOLDING.

You see Jay Cutler in those ads for those Anator p70 or whatever supps he endorses? You think he takes that stuff? NO. So why would the workouts or diets he has listed be any more reliable? Ok then.

I speak from experience and from what I know from BBers I know personally. If anyone has a problem with my opinions, well good for you. Go eat an apple and spit it at your computer screen for all I care. Nothing you say will make me change my opinion, and your opinions so far have been based on what you've read in magazines or are coming from people who don't post pix of their physique but are quick to trash someone like me who posts my pics.

If any 18-19yo's out there do nothing but 8-10 sets of compound exercises and look like monsters, or continually add more weight to their exercises for years and years in a linear progression without hitting any plateaus, post your pix.

The end. 

Your statement about being a monster.. Learn all the exercises and lift heavy, learn good habids and how it doesn't make sense to do only 7-8 exercises for the entire body...
Let me start by addressing your previous statement that seemed to inspire Boomersooner...

The reason most people you see at the gym aren't big and ripped isn't because they're doing a structured routine and following a proper diet.. it's because they're following the philosophy you've been spreading in this thread.. they go to the gym for a few months.. walk around lifting weights that are far too heavy for them and doing pointless isolation exercises to failure. After a few weeks, maybe a a few months they usually end up getting injured or just quit due to lack of results.. Now that's the real truth..

IMO it's just the opposite of what you said.. If all someone had to do to get big and ripped is go to the gym 5 days a week and lift to failure (someothing most newbs do) almost anyone would be able to do that.. but unfortunately, it's a bit more complicated than just lifting to failure each and every time you workout..

In reference to the pro bbers and muscle comics.. I'm not sure who you're suggesting reads that trash but it's not me. And I think most here are very aware that all the pro's who are sponsored by supplement companies are only doing it for the money..

and as far as the pro's not sharing their training routines.. That's funny.. Most of the top pro's are friends, and they have no mystical magic training secrets they're trying to hide from each other.. I think we all know how they've managed to get to such a size that they can no longer wipe their own ass.. (nice one, If it's OK, I'd like to use that in the future)

And you're right about some of the WWE guys being body builders.. I'm not sure what was said that made you feel the need to throw that comment out, as if someone was trying to dispute that fact.. but I worked closely with WWE for several years and at one point was in their office on a weekly basis.. I still have relationships with several of their executives and have even had the pleasure of training on a few occations with some of their tallent.  Maybe you felt the need to throw that comment out because you felt my comment about you was in some way trashing the industry but if that's the case.. took it the wrong way.. I have a tremendous amount of respect for everyone involved with that company.

You can try to dispute the facts all you like, but I can certainly assure you and anyone else on this board that going to a gym and lifting to failure each and every time you train in doing nothing but leading to a dead end.  If you're lucky and able to do it for any length of time without injury, you'll grow if you're eating right.. but the chances are very slim..  Again, I think isolations are great.. if needed but for most beginners and intermediate lifters.. which is about 80% of the training population.. they're not needed in order to grow. Improper use of Isolation exercises are partly responsible for many begining lifters having imbalances which is another factor that can lead to injury later down the road.

The End.....

that's not true at all.

most of the most popular body builders train to failure;  their post workout meal DEPENDS on it.  As exercisers, our goal should be to create a maximum anabolic state following a workout.  Ideally, this is accomplished with something that would allow the body the optimum metabolic and hormonal milieu for the greatest amount of growth and repair.......this occurs in the post workout state.  following VIGOUROUS exercise, hormones are ath their peak, and muscles are begging for nutrients...........your post workout meal is one of the most important meals.  TO ACHIEVE THE MAXIMUM MUSCLE GROWTH AFTER A WORKOUT FROM YOUR POST WORKOUT MEAL, YOU MUST TRAIN TO FAILURE.  training to failure is absolutely imperative and a must for your post workout meal to have the best possible effect.  the more you break your body down, the more it can take back in to the muscles.  by calculating the amount of carbs and protein you need after a workout, you must count your number of forced reps. 

it's exactly how i've gotten to the point where i am at right now...................you can't argue with results.

 
Pro bodybuilders that consistently train to failure can do so because they are using anabolic steroids.... again, that's no secret.  

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

EDIT: End of conversaton for me.... Goodluck OP

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

most of the most popular body builders train to failure; their post workout meal DEPENDS on it. As exercisers, our goal should be to create a maximum anabolic state following a workout. Ideally, this is accomplished with something that would allow the body the optimum metabolic and hormonal milieu for the greatest amount of growth and repair.......this occurs in the post workout state. following VIGOUROUS exercise, hormones are ath their peak, and muscles are begging for nutrients...........your post workout meal is one of the most important meals. TO ACHIEVE THE MAXIMUM MUSCLE GROWTH AFTER A WORKOUT FROM YOUR POST WORKOUT MEAL, YOU MUST TRAIN TO FAILURE. training to failure is absolutely imperative and a must for your post workout meal to have the best possible effect. the more you break your body down, the more it can take back in to the muscles. by calculating the amount of carbs and protein you need after a workout, you must count your number of forced reps.

it's exactly how i've gotten to the point where i am at right now...................you can't argue with results.

Reading much magazines?

The only thing that causes hypertrophy is microtrauma induced through progressive overload. Which means you have to do more and more work each time with enough intensity. And no, intensity is not lifting to failure. It is just the percentage of your 1RM.

Now, failure is at the CNS level. It has nothing to do with muscles. This is simply your CNS saying "Enough, I need some rest". I don't know where you got the post workout crap, but the post workout meal is NOT the most important meal. It is just as important as every other meal of the day.

@Smoundzou: I don't know why you are even trying to argue. Obviously Deadly is just trolling...

ORIGINAL: coldfire
@Smoundzou: I don't know why you are even trying to argue. Obviously Deadly is just trolling...

 
You're absolutely right...

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

I don't know where you got the post workout crap, but the post workout meal is NOT the most important meal. It is just as important as every other meal of the day.



 
Ever herd of the Anobolic window? The 15-20 minute period right after you train when your body rapidly absorbs nutrients at an alarming rate? Why do you think so many bodybuilders take WHEY protien IMMIDIATLY after aworkout? Because whey digests in about 15 minutes

17 years old
180 pounds

dirty bulk= fail
X-repper forever

On the race to 190 and 17 inch arms

ORIGINAL: Beefcake

I don't know where you got the post workout crap, but the post workout meal is NOT the most important meal. It is just as important as every other meal of the day.


Ever herd of the Anobolic window? The 15-20 minute period right after you train when your body rapidly absorbs nutrients at an alarming rate? Why do you think so many bodybuilders take WHEY protien IMMIDIATLY after aworkout? Because whey digests in about 15 minutes

Ever heard of researching rumors? Protein synthesis is elevated for 24 hours post workout, with peaks at different times. The breakfast the day after workout might be as important as your post workout shake.

Have fun.

ORIGINAL: coldfire

ORIGINAL: Beefcake

I don't know where you got the post workout crap, but the post workout meal is NOT the most important meal. It is just as important as every other meal of the day.


Ever herd of the Anobolic window? The 15-20 minute period right after you train when your body rapidly absorbs nutrients at an alarming rate? Why do you think so many bodybuilders take WHEY protien IMMIDIATLY after aworkout? Because whey digests in about 15 minutes

Ever heard of researching rumors? Protein synthesis is elevated for 24 hours post workout, with peaks at different times. The breakfast the day after workout might be as important as your post workout shake.

Have fun.

HaHaHa!

Current Stack: HDROL,Celltech,Superpump 250, Glutamine,Beta alanine,Whey protein.

yayay for fighting, so through this all can anyone send me a solid routine that along with food will get me bigger? And deadly is a bit of a baby, im sure most people would want to look like soccer king anyway, cause fifteen years from now he wont look like this.
 

well do you want a split or fullbody?

which ever works best? I guess a ful body.

really what you were planning on doing wasn't too bad before this thread blew up.  i just started doing mark rippetoes routine and brhiead is a firm believer in it.  there is also a 3 day full body sticky in the training or critique my training forum that you could get a few good examples from.
 
rippetoe's:
 
A
Squat
Bench
Deadlift
(Pullups) added
 
B
Squat
Standing OH Press
Power Cleans
(BB rows) added
 
 
3x5 for everthing except 1x5 deadlift.  start 60 or 70% of max and add weight each and everytime until you can no longer do it.

No the leg press is not the same as doing squats.

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yayay for fighting, so through this all can anyone send me a solid routine that along with food will get me bigger? And deadly is a bit of a baby, im sure most people would want to look like soccer king anyway, cause fifteen years from now he wont look like this.

Fake pics, haha.

I dont understand why training to failure is wrong.  I have trained to failure in the majority of exercises in every single workout for my entire lifting career.  Everything I have gained has come from lifting to failure...

Deadly, you make points, but its kind of ridiculous when you back everything up with how youre bigger than everyone or by posting a picture of yourself with some girls (who by tha way i wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole)

If you feel like arguing with me, I am sure youll dig up a picture of yourself with some hot chicks to back up w/e point you are trying to make, and that will make you correct.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

RS.. I'll give you a few reasons why consistently training to failure isn't a great way to train...
 
1: In most cases training to failure exhausts the assistance, (stabilizer muscles) before the major muscles your working fatigue.
 
2: Those who train to failure tend to get careless with form as they near failure which in some cases can be detrimental to muscle development.
 
3: Increased risk of injury. 
 
4: Training to failure puts undue stress on muscles and joints and makes it more difficult for the body to recuperate.
 
5: No need to.  The body will still grow as long as the muscles being worked are micro damaged.
 
6:CNS issues: Probably the least reason due to the intensity required in training to even reach a state of CNS fatigue.. Most people simply are not able to train with the intensity needed to even come close to CNS fatigue.
 
7: Stalling.. training to failure often puts a person who is training for hypertropy at a stall long before the natural stall would occur if using a progressive load system starting at around 70% of the XRM.  Lots of valuable growth time is lost due to the trainee not taking advantage of ramping weight and utilizing the body's ability to stimulate muscles growth.
 
In short.. the OP's question was.. how do I get bigger, and training to failure simply isn't the solution to this issue.
 
If training to failure is the only way you've ever trained, I would highly suggest giving it a break for a while and try something else.. I think You'll be pleasantly surprised by the results you get.
 
This is not the first time this argument has been on the table and it's been discussed in great detail by many natural lifters, both body builders and power lifters.. and in the end.. the advantages of not training to failure always out weight the advantages of doing so..  
 

ORIGINAL: RollingStone

I dont understand why training to failure is wrong.  I have trained to failure in the majority of exercises in every single workout for my entire lifting career.  Everything I have gained has come from lifting to failure...

Deadly, you make points, but its kind of ridiculous when you back everything up with how youre bigger than everyone or by posting a picture of yourself with some girls (who by tha way i wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole)

If you feel like arguing with me, I am sure youll dig up a picture of yourself with some hot chicks to back up w/e point you are trying to make, and that will make you correct.

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

ORIGINAL: RollingStone

I dont understand why training to failure is wrong.  I have trained to failure in the majority of exercises in every single workout for my entire lifting career.  Everything I have gained has come from lifting to failure...

How do you know it's the failure that promoted your gains?

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

ohh and even better not your myspace your gf's, she could do better.

Stop stalking and masturbating to my girlfriend's myspace you sick fxck.

The only ****tits around me are... well... bitch's tits:



Chicks don't seem to mind my physique.

Let's see you post a pic of your boy... I meant girlfriend. She probably looks like a goat.

haha thats the second pic ive seen you with those 2 broads. why am i not partying with you!?!?!hahah i guess i have to be a  WWE superstar right?

classic story: you know the study abroad program..one kid goes total serious and asks "so do you give us chicks...to study?" hahaha the best.

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ORIGINAL: RollingStone

I dont understand why training to failure is wrong.  I have trained to failure in the majority of exercises in every single workout for my entire lifting career.  Everything I have gained has come from lifting to failure...

How do you know it's the failure that promoted your gains?

well i didnt necessarily mean that it was the training to failure that caused tha gains, i meant that ive always done it and its done a whole lot for me so far...

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

ORIGINAL: RollingStone

ORIGINAL: coldfire

ORIGINAL: RollingStone

I dont understand why training to failure is wrong. I have trained to failure in the majority of exercises in every single workout for my entire lifting career. Everything I have gained has come from lifting to failure...

How do you know it's the failure that promoted your gains?

well i didnt necessarily mean that it was the training to failure that caused tha gains, i meant that ive always done it and its done a whole lot for me so far...

It's not the failure that had done a hole lot for you. It's the HEAVY training and progressive load. The fact that you get to failure doesn't mean anything, besides that it's going to be harder to recover.