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"Phenogen" Trial-Avant Labs - 4/14/2005 10:33:22 PM   
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Hey guys and gals. I have heard and read a lot of good things about Avant Labs- Phenogen. I am a true Endo at 244lbs and 24% bodyfat. My goal is to get to 15% bf and see how I look and feel. I am on a calorie and carb cycling diet which I will not change during the trial run. For training I lift heavy full body 3 times a week, run HIIT 1 time a week, walk/jog 45 mins 2 times a week, and play football(kind of consider this another form of HIIT as well) every Saturday. It sounds like Phenogen should help my "cutting" very nicely. I will keep you posted on results. And if I am feeling brave I will post some before and after photos for proof. I have enough product to last me 2 months. I have been very happy with the results I have gotton from Sesathin and Leptigen so I am hoping this Avant product will give me that little extra "fat losing" boost.
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RE: "Phenogen" Trial-Avant Labs - 4/15/2005 12:48:49 AM   
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Excellent choice.

PheoGen + SesaThin has done many a body good. DesignerSupps' Lean Xtreme would make that a hellishly good stack.

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RE: "Phenogen" Trial-Avant Labs - 4/15/2005 9:25:31 AM   
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Robboe, would HEAT stack work as good as Lean Xtreme, or even close? By the way you had quite a nice cut the last few months, I followed the post on Avant Forum.

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RE: "Phenogen" Trial-Avant Labs - 4/15/2005 12:38:42 PM   
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You're comparing apples and oranges there. They're two different products with different aims.

It's not cost effective, but i'd use both.

And yeah thanks, i am managing to keep it off so far and at the same time, i feel like my body is a very anabolic environment right now. I've still not drank this year yet and i've not had any chocolate or anything as such since christmas day.

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RE: "Phenogen" Trial-Avant Labs - 4/15/2005 5:54:37 PM   
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PhenoGen plus Lean Xtreme worked far better than either alone, for me.

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RE: "Phenogen" Trial-Avant Labs - 4/16/2005 8:20:27 PM   
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So, what are the additional benefits of taking LeanX with Pheno as opposed to taking Pheno alone. Obviously price starts to become somewhat of an issue. Also, Twin Peaks you are a beast! I've got the same type of frame that you do, so if Pheno helped with your cut hopefully it will do the same for me. I have been on my supp. regiment for a few days, and I honestly am feeling a little tighter.

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RE: "Phenogen" Trial-Avant Labs - 4/27/2005 8:54:11 AM   
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It has been a little over 1 week since I started my Phenogen trial. I have recently added in Lean Xtreame and I have been fairly happy so far. I have dropped 4 pounds, while actually gaining strength, so I doubt I have lost much muscle. I am taking 3X3 caps of Phenogen with meals, and taking 4 Lean X, 2 in the morning and 2 before I go to bed. I'll keep you posted.

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RE: "Phenogen" Trial-Avant Labs - 4/28/2005 5:16:43 AM   
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If you take your LX upon waking, have a coffee and then do 10-30 minutes of cardio on an empty stomach for increased fat loss. Normally i'd not recommend cardio on an empty stomach, but LX allows you to get away with it.

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RE: "Phenogen" Trial-Avant Labs - 4/29/2005 2:19:08 PM   
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I have dropped another pound since Wednesday. I am at 239lbs now. Another observation I've made is concerning the body recomposition effects. I feel and look like it is only fat I am losing. That is obviously a hard thing to do is lose the fat and actually increase strength. Since I've been cycling through Phenogen I have been making gains in my strength while still losing weight. And Robboe I have started walking/jogging 20 minutes on my treadmill in the morning after I take my 2 caps of LX, but before breakfast....we'll see what kind of a difference it makes. Also Robboe can you tell me if LX works as a diuretic as well as other things, I feel very tight and I have to pee a lot?

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RE: "Phenogen" Trial-Avant Labs - 4/30/2005 2:04:47 AM   
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No, it does.

That effect is likely the phenogen as it depletes your body of ATP (energy). You may find your muscles looking a little flat. Remember that after 4-6 weeks of pheogen, come off it completely and load up on creatine for 4 weeks. Watch the anabolism!

Are you having a coffee before cardio? Real coffee, not instant crap. If so, that may be affecting your water retention.

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RE: "Phenogen" Trial-Avant Labs - 4/30/2005 4:27:25 AM   
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Good morning;

Can you tell me if Phenogen and/or LX are thermogenics?

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RE: "Phenogen" Trial-Avant Labs - 4/30/2005 11:05:50 AM   
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Yes, i can.

And no, they're not.

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