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PROHORMONES
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PROHORMONES - 6/19/2007 10:07:25 PM
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TYLER_82
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/19/2007 10:18:04 PM
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novadex xt isn't a prohormone
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/19/2007 10:29:26 PM
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i went from 183-197 with mass tabs, but my diet was very strict while i was takin it. kept the weight for about a month, then i exams hit and training and diet went to crap for a solid month and i lost everything i had gained. i think if i woulda kept my diet and training up i woulda kept it.
it does mess with your sex drive tho. 
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/19/2007 11:33:42 PM
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only 6-oxo and no side effects for me.
just remember tho, just cuz something worked for me doesn't mean it will work for you.
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/20/2007 7:41:37 AM
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You should put some of the good ones in such as...Halodrol 50, 1-AD, M-1T, an Orastan E
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/20/2007 7:50:32 AM
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You didnt list any good ph's, plus this whole board isnt a real knowledgable source on Ph's because most of the posters are pretty young.
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/20/2007 8:33:57 AM
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K Rock 12
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Are the IDS Mass Tabs really a PH??..and if so what kind of PCT is required Novedex of 6 OXO???...another question..do you think 20 yrs. is to young to start taking a PH such as Hemogen 50 (replacing Halodrol 50)..what supporting supps besides novedex do you think i should take...milk thistle??
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/20/2007 10:37:19 AM
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im pretty sure the kid who posted this thread is 16.. and if thats the case. TYLER dont take any prohormones. you will **** urself up for life
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/20/2007 10:53:19 AM
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PH's are not for most people. I dotn even like bringing them up on this board because most of the guys here are 1.) to young 2.) and dont do enough research ( case and point there are guys thinking 6-oxo is good enough for pct)
NOTE: Most good PH's require serious pct such as nolvadex (perscription) or clomid (perscription)
however guys if you are uninformed and dont listen to any one let me give some sound default advice. Here is a good no perscription PCT
AX PCT
Rebound XT
Novedex XT
Animal Stak 2
and liver, and digestive support supps.
but mainly guys I dont reccomend PH's to anyone I dont personally know well enough to how they train and eat and thier motives behind taking them. Remember PH's require hours of research IMO to get your cycle figured out.
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/20/2007 1:06:32 PM
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K Rock 12
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I was just going to run the Hemogen 50 for a 15-30 day cycle with PCT being 6 oxo and milk thistle for safety..cycle will end depending on side effects...
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/20/2007 9:43:30 PM
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psalms_soldier
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guys 6-oxo isnt a standalone pct on anything that is a true ph.
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/20/2007 11:28:16 PM
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guys 6-oxo isnt a standalone pct on anything that is a true ph.
So you're saying you need the real Nolva or Clomid for even weak ph cycles?
And there are pretty weak unmethylated phs out but still definitely considered phs.
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/21/2007 8:52:02 AM
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......but mainly guys I dont reccomend PH's to anyone I dont personally know well enough to how they train and eat and thier motives behind taking them. Remember PH's require hours of research IMO to get your cycle figured out.
Hey ps;
Good point. I see this all the time where young individuals are not readily informed about PHs and PCT and unaware of the possible consequences of taking PH’s at an early age.
I'm not an authority but, I do know that the Endocrine System which basically is the compilation of hormones and glands in one's body may be affected by the chemicals in PH/AAS compounds due to the fact that one's body has not been fully developed, ie., “not of age.”
One’s body may not mature until a later age. In addition to the immaturity of your hormones and glands, your growth plates may also be stunted if your body is not fully developed, as growth plate tissues determine the future shape and length of your bones once they mature.
Young individuals are probably going to do what they want but, my whole point is that even with the proper PCT, if your body is not fully developed, taking PH/AAS during this time, a critical hormonal/glandular imbalance of your entire body may occur in addition to the growth plates not closing properly.
Young individuals may insist they haven’t experienced any side affects because of proper PCT is all well in good for the short term but, you may have undesirable consequences in the future for reasons indicated above. The young guys should think about it before they start using PHs/AAS.
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/21/2007 9:08:24 AM
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guys 6-oxo isnt a standalone pct on anything that is a true ph.
There's plenty of prohormones currenty on the market where 6-OXO is more than enough for PCT to supress estrogen.
If you were to suggest that everyone takes breast cancer drugs that kill estrogen dead at the receptor after taking any kind of PH; this would be bad advice and serious blanket overkill.
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/21/2007 9:02:41 PM
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anyone who gives those options for the best pH are the ppl that shouldn't be taking them. btw when i go down to canada (windsor is lower then where i live, so its its technically down despite the actual country of canada being higher then the US of A; just saying) im tempting to grab some methyl test if i stop by the edge nutritions their and to see what other goodies they have.
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/21/2007 9:37:21 PM
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modagg
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ORIGINAL: psalms_soldier
guys 6-oxo isnt a standalone pct on anything that is a true ph.
There's plenty of prohormones currenty on the market where 6-OXO is more than enough for PCT to supress estrogen.
If you were to suggest that everyone takes breast cancer drugs that kill estrogen dead at the receptor after taking any kind of PH; this would be bad advice and serious blanket overkill.
please! prohormones by definition are a precursor to hormones (testosterone in this case); so for someone like u who seems lacking in knowledge of such things, basically their this stuff that when metabolised they find this little missing piece called an atom and then by the graces of god they are converted into hormones; so lets summarize ph + enzymes = steroids = pct involving an atd or serm. btw prohormones are currently illegal in the us and anything thats one the market now, isn't a prohormone. actually its easier to find oral steroids then pH's (all those sd rip offs). its one thing to give bad advice when it comes to creatine or something, but leave serious stuff like this to ppl that know. also i just enjoyed your thoughts on nolva literally killing estrogen.
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/21/2007 9:49:42 PM
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psalms_soldier
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: psalms_soldier
guys 6-oxo isnt a standalone pct on anything that is a true ph.
There's plenty of prohormones currenty on the market where 6-OXO is more than enough for PCT to supress estrogen.
If you were to suggest that everyone takes breast cancer drugs that kill estrogen dead at the receptor after taking any kind of PH; this would be bad advice and serious blanket overkill.
Its not the estrogen being suppressed im worried about (this is why ph shouldnt be mentioned on this board because people dont know what they are talking about). Its the body recovering and learning to restore proper test. production that even "weak ph's" (lol) cause. You can straight up screw up your progress for months by not pcting correctly. 6-oxo is a fine supplement but isnt a standalone pct you need something capable of restoring your bodies natural test. production.
and I didnt say that clomid or nolva are always ness. (but they are quite often). I even listed a legal alternative just to perhaps save some poor kid reading this board from god knows what kind of side effects, or if nothing else months of no results because test. dropoff.
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RE: PROHORMONES - 6/21/2007 10:44:16 PM
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What about pulse cycling? Minimal to no shutdown with most apperently. You can easilly use an otc pct.
I was reading up on pulse cycling havoc.
I should have said weak pro steroid I guess. But the companies themselves are recommending just something like novadex xt with 3ad and furazadrol.
It's kind of ironic to me. Here you can order these products that are basically legal steroids, but some people say you MUST have nolva/clomid. But those are illegal. Plus they can have some serious sides, way more then anything like furazadrol. Like loss of vision or cancer? Damn.
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