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Organic or not - Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:41 AM ( #1 )
With all this Organic this and that on the shelves, Is it really better for you? I see cage free eggs, free range beef, and No hormone milk. Does it really make a difference other than the price I pay?
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Re:Organic or not - Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:45 AM ( #2 )
I did find this on Banana's
 
Yes We Have No (Conventional) Bananas:
The Case For Buying Organic

by
Mark Mulcahy
A few months ago, I read an excerpt of Wendell Berry's book What Are People For? In it, Berry argues that eating is a political act. The choices we make when buying food make a direct impact on the rest of the world. I believe that "voting with the dollar" is one of the reasons an increasing number of customers shop at natural foods stores.
This should be especially true in the case of conventionally grown and organically grown bananas. Even though they are not grown domestically, bananas are the top selling fruit in the United States. More than 170 million 40-pound boxes of bananas were sold in the United States last year.
Bananas are treated with special care so as not to inflict even the slightest bruise or scar. Unfortunately, bananas scar easily. Point scar, one type of blemish, occurs when the tips of one banana touch another. Other types of scarring are caused by pests, sunburn and stains from plant sap. However, consumers expect their bananas to be perfect looking, blemish-free and most important, inexpensive.
How do conventional growers deliver such bananas? In order to achieve the perfect banana, workers on Central American commercial plantations are often subjected to a toxic soup of herbicides, pesticides and fungicides. To control worms and prevent uprooting losses, farmers apply nematocides. One of the most commonly used nematocide is Aldicarb, a chemical that takes only .9 mg per pound of human weight to be lethal. On hot days, after spreading the red granules on the ground, workers often complain of a terrible smell that causes dizziness and vomiting.
During ripening on the tree, bananas are covered in blue plastic. The plastic is infused with an insecticide called Chorpyrifos, a chemical the World Health Organization calls hazardous. When workers open the bags to check the bananas, dust particles fly everywhere and workers are subject to inhaling the chemical.
Safety devices such as full-body coveralls, rubber gloves and boots, and respirators are not always supplied or used. Workers must provide their own protection and often do so inadequately. For example, rather than using replaceable charcoal filter respirators, workers often use simple foam masks that actually absorb the chemicals. This may cause the worker to inhale even more toxins.
Health conditions and workplace security on the plantations are dismal, resulting in frequent injuries to workers in addition to the allergic, pulmonary, and cancerous ailments they contract from constant exposure to pesticides.
Workers in packing plants are also exposed to large amounts of pesticides. Freshly harvested bananas are placed in large water tanks to wash off the chemicals. Many workers who handle the bananas in these tanks find their fingernails become discolored and in some instances, actually fall off.
Workers have also become sterile from exposure to DBCP, a pesticide whose effects on the reproductive systems of female workers and mutagenic effects on their children is only beginning to be investigated.
The lack of safety regulations can be directly blamed on the large corporations that control the small landowners and farmers. The corporations, through contracts that work to their benefit, also have avoided giving the workers livable wages and, in effect, denied them decent living conditions. In the last four years, banana workers' wages in Costa Rica have gone from $250 a month to $187 a month, with an increase in their workload from 12 to 18 hours a day.
And what about the consumer? Conventionally grown bananas can contain a high level of pesticide residue, causing a health risk to consumers.
At this time, the Mexican-American Fruit Co. (MexAm), with a sales office in National City, Calif., is the primary grower of organic bananas. The company is based in the heart of the banana-growing region of Mexico, and has pest and disease problems, but chooses to deal with them by different means than used by conventional growers. To control nematodes, MexAm uses flood irrigation, which, while causing some soil erosion, is preferable to nematocides. To control black sigatoka, a disease that causes leaves to wither, it uses a garlic spray. Commercial growers use 14 to 25 applications of fungicides per year to control black sigatoka.
MexAm fertilizes with chicken manure at a rate of 10 tons per acre as opposed to heavy doses of chemical fertilizers used by commercial growers. Machetes, not herbicides, are used to control weeds. And plastic bags are used for ripening bananas but without the toxic pesticides. To control stem rot, the bananas are put through a boric acid bath, which is a much safer alternative than the fungicides used by commercial growers.
The next time you pick up a banana, think about what route it took to get to you and the difference you make by making the organic choice.
Mark Mulcahy is the produce manager of Good Nature
Grocery in Walnut Creek, Calif., and a produce
consultant for small to medium natural products stores.
Thanks to Liz Bourret of Veritable Vegetable and Adam Kirshners
from Pesticide Action Network for information used in this article.
 
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Re:Organic or not - Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:44 PM ( #3 )
Yes, it makes a difference.  If you aren't eating organic fruit or veggies, you are most definitely ingesting any number of chemicals.  Including pesticides, fungicides, and herbicides.  Even if you wash your food first.

Free-range chicken and grass-fed beef have more nutrients, better nutritional profiles, and both contain loads of omega-3s.  Omega-3s are not founds in the meats of animals that eat corn, soy, or other grains instead of their natural diets.  In fact, their meats are abnormally high in omega-6 fatty acids.

Cage-free does not mean the chickens were free-range.  Cage-free only means that the cages that the chickens lived in were bigger than the standard ones used by most other commercial chicken farms.

As for milk, going organic isn't enough.  You really should be drinking raw organic milk from grass-fed cows.  It's the same deal as with the meat, cows that are fed their natural diet produce better milk.  Pasteurization and homogenization destroy everything that is good and wholesome in the milk.  Pasteurized milk doesn't contain the enzymes, vitamins, minerals, antibodies, healthy bacteria, omega-3s, or anything.  That's why it needs to be fortified after pasteurization.
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Re:Organic or not - Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:00 PM ( #4 )
I have heard raw organic milk is not for human consumption. Altho I can get 10 gallons for my cat
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Re:Organic or not - Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:28 PM ( #5 )
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I have heard raw organic milk is not for human consumption. Altho I can get 10 gallons for my cat


Right it needs to be pasteurized to kill any nasty stuff that may find its way into the milk.

And yes if you have the means organic produce is worth the extra money. \

Organic produce has dropped in price significantly over the last few years. The more we buy, the cheaper it will eventually become.
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Re:Organic or not - Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:33 PM ( #6 )
It always amazes me that a bag of cookies can be had for .99 cents, but a apple will cost you $$. It's so easy to eat bad.
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Re:Organic or not - Friday, September 11, 2009 6:26 AM ( #7 )
In regards to raw milk not being for human consumption, depends on what state you're from.  In Pennsy raw milk is allowed for human consumption, but you just aren't allowed to sell it in grocery stores, convenience stores, etc.  Only state-certified farms are allowed to sell it on the farm's premises.

Raw milk contains enzymes and good bacteria that efficiently and effectively kill any pathogens that enter.  As long as you're getting your raw milk from a reputable farm, you have no worries.

You're more likely to die from contaminated deli meat than drinking raw milk.
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Re:Organic or not - Friday, September 11, 2009 6:28 AM ( #8 )
The reason organic anything costs so much is because if any company wants to be labeled organic, they have to jump through a million hoops and pay the USDA out the ass for their stamp of approval.

You can be organic without being certified organic, but then consumers wouldn't feel all warm and fuzzy without that USDA stamp.
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Re:Organic or not - Friday, September 11, 2009 6:56 AM ( #9 )
I'll eat some pesticides and s*** if it will save me a buck or two.  It tastes good, and that's all that matters.
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Re:Organic or not - Friday, September 11, 2009 8:16 AM ( #10 )
Nah, I like having a functioning liver.  And one that'll continue to function optimally into old age.
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Re:Organic or not - Friday, September 11, 2009 8:41 AM ( #11 )
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I'll eat some pesticides and s*** if it will save me a buck or two.  It tastes good, and that's all that matters.


HaHaHa....I thought the same thing...LOL
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Re:Organic or not - Friday, September 11, 2009 2:46 PM ( #12 )
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In regards to raw milk not being for human consumption, depends on what state you're from.  In Pennsy raw milk is allowed for human consumption, but you just aren't allowed to sell it in grocery stores, convenience stores, etc.  Only state-certified farms are allowed to sell it on the farm's premises.

Raw milk contains enzymes and good bacteria that efficiently and effectively kill any pathogens that enter.  As long as you're getting your raw milk from a reputable farm, you have no worries.

You're more likely to die from contaminated deli meat than drinking raw milk.


If I knew where it came from and knew of a reputable farm I might.


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Re:Organic or not - Friday, September 11, 2009 6:24 PM ( #13 )
There are a few milk farms in North Georgia I may check out. Seems I can get some for my cat without a problem. Just wonder how long natural milk would be good for. Hate to drink 5 gallons in two days so it didn't spoil. Any Dairy farmers out there?
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Re:Organic or not - Sunday, September 13, 2009 6:57 PM ( #14 )
I just started eating organically this past summer.  I haven't noticed a difference or anything, I just feel better that I'm not eating pesticides and I'm not giving my money to huge corporations. 

I also started drinking raw milk.  It tastes great.  It also has a lot longer shelf life than regular milk and won't spoil, it just turns into this kind of yogurt stuff that is still edible and actually good for you b/c of all of the enzymes and bacteria that develop.  I haven't let mine get that old yet and I don't plan to either.  The downside is that I pay $6/gallon for it, so I use it a lot more conservatively than regular milk.

I'll start buying free range and grass fed meat once I graduate and get a job, but until then I have to stick with wal-mart meat.

If you want more information, go to westonaprice.org or http://www.youtube.com/user/UndergroundWellness.  The youtube guy has a lot of videos and has done a good job of convincing me to go organic.  I actually used to think that it was a bunch of hippy crap, but not so much anymore.
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Re:Organic or not - Monday, September 14, 2009 4:53 PM ( #15 )
I eat almost all organic foods, I know milk has a ton of crap that you don't want.
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