I have been lifting for 6 years.  Currently 160lbs 5'7 at 10% body fat.  I am pretty jacked and can press 245 6-8 reps.

In the past I have tried several things, but have not been heavy into lifting for a couple years (got married).  Lately Ive used ZMA, tribulus, but nothing serious.

I'm looking to cycle 4 weeks of either 17-HD   OR    Epistane  
(was considering H-drol or M-drol but recent reviews scare me)
+ ZMA,
+ Ecdysterone

And for support,
Saw Palmetto, Fenugreek, Milk Thistle, NAC

And for a PCT, 6-OXO, Tribulus



Anyone with experience with 17-HD? Epistane?  Which would you take?  Would you take anything different?

epistane is pretty liver toxic for a first oral cycle i would go with something on the more mild side like

Iforce - bold

or H-drol by CEL

I like these 2 compounds because they dont shut you down if you have have more specific questions PM me.

YOU GOTTA EAT BIG, TO BE BIG!!

NASM certified trainer
NFPT certified trainer

Winter Bulk goal:245-250 by dec 31 - Achieved
Current weight: 246

Have you ever tried epistane Creation?

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm

AdamScott


Have you ever tried epistane Creation?

from what i hear it is one of the least harsh PH you can get...

It is very mild, even at high doses ( from my experience).

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm