I have been lifting for 6 years.  Currently 160lbs 5'7 at 10% body fat.  I am pretty jacked and can press 245 6-8 reps.

In the past I have tried several things, but have not been heavy into lifting for a couple years (got married).  Lately Ive used ZMA, tribulus, but nothing serious.

I'm looking to cycle 4 weeks of either 17-HD   OR    Epistane  
(was considering H-drol or M-drol but recent reviews scare me)
+ ZMA,
+ Ecdysterone

And for support,
Saw Palmetto, Fenugreek, Milk Thistle, NAC

And for a PCT, 6-OXO, Tribulus



Anyone with experience with 17-HD? Epistane?  Which would you take?  Would you take anything different?

epistane is pretty liver toxic for a first oral cycle i would go with something on the more mild side like

Iforce - bold

or H-drol by CEL

I like these 2 compounds because they dont shut you down if you have have more specific questions PM me.

Goal: Cut to less than 10% BF by summer.

Have you ever tried epistane Creation?

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm

AdamScott


Have you ever tried epistane Creation?

from what i hear it is one of the least harsh PH you can get...

It is very mild, even at high doses ( from my experience).

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm