Novedex XT bros.

ORIGINAL: Nm0ney34

ok lemme try to explain this...

First it is not marketed as a PCT, some people however have used it in their PCT. It is marketed as a standalone cycle.

Nolvedex is an estrogen blocker, IT LOWERS ESTROGEN...the whole reason I posted that quote is because it is important.

there are 3 ingredients in Novedex xt(Novedex xt??? nolvedex is a prescription anti estrogen)

1. 3-hydroxy-4-androstene-6,17-dione—also known as 3-OHAT (in the form of a THP ether)
2. 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione—also known as "ATD"
3. Hesperitin—a flavonoid


See atd? companys like to reword things to sound like they are something else...

the whole issue of gyno is what COULD happen to someone. If you take 4 pills of this stuff every night, you can essentially wipe nearly all of the estrogen out of your body. You then cold turkey, and the issue of gyno has a good chance to pop up.

he talks about tapering, which would mean say week 1 - 4 pills, week 2- 3 pills, week 3 - 2pills, week 4 - 1pill.

but in the above post is just a recommended cycle, of only taking 2pills for most of the cycle, so you dont totally eliminate your estrogen...

I read about a lot of this stuff. I was on the brink of taking some stuff like 2 years ago but decided not to. Even when taking stuff like this, you need to make sure you get your facts.

You can use this as an estrogen blocker/test booster by itself. Maybe gain a few noticeable pounds, but if you dont take precautions it could all just be a waste.

this can also be used in PCT for something not very strong.

       It is very much marketed for pct. It is marketed specifically for pct with halodrol liquigels. But them and read the paper on the inside.

I'm not sure if your talking about novedex or the real thing but anyway.

    Novedex xt could cause a major estrogen rebound in your body. If you are taking it for 4 weeks and eliminate most of your estrogen your body is working very hard to replenish it. So if you don't taper off of it and just stop taking it one day your estrogen levels  "could"(notice  I didn't say will) bounce back to high.
    I personally think it's a great product. even though i do avoid testboosters myself. My friend is taking it and loves it. Says his libido is through the roof to the point that the one eyed snake wakes up without a call. He also says he's hungy all the time. But on the downside he is noticeing some mild acne on his upper back and forehead.

If it wasn't painfully difficult then you didn't do it right

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goal : 195


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ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

if you're gonna go big, might as well buy some viraloid and 17 HD

 I'm not positive but I think I looked up those products and they are just DHEA. The main ingredient is anyway.

If it wasn't painfully difficult then you didn't do it right

age:18
5' 81/2"
173 lbs
goal : 195


supplements: Multi, fish oil

ORIGINAL: RedJeep

Apparently they are the same thing,

http://bodybuilding.ultimatefatburner.com/novedex-test-booster.html

Check that out, maybe that will help explain it.

 
Great info. I was going to use 6-oxo as a PCT after HDROL. As long as I don't go crazy dropping caps down my throat I think it should be ok. 2 1/2 weeks to til I try it.

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I'd go with novedex. It seems to have developed a better reputation than 6 oxo already and it's considerably cheaper.

If it wasn't painfully difficult then you didn't do it right

age:18
5' 81/2"
173 lbs
goal : 195


supplements: Multi, fish oil

ORIGINAL: HEARTS

I'd go with novedex. It seems to have developed a better reputation than 6 oxo already and it's considerably cheaper.

 
I think it is stronger than 6oxo as well.

HEARTS- Your libido is supposed to drop when taking Novedex. I have read all around different forums and people have said that their libido drops significantly, so...

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They might be using it for pct. Are you sure the guys saying their libido dropped were running novedex solo?

If it wasn't painfully difficult then you didn't do it right

age:18
5' 81/2"
173 lbs
goal : 195


supplements: Multi, fish oil

ORIGINAL: MaverickKeepsitReal

HEARTS- Your libido is supposed to drop when taking Novedex. I have read all around different forums and people have said that their libido drops significantly, so...

 
If it does then lower the dose.

Yeah sometimes I misspell novedex and it comes off as the nolvadex...my bad

But yeah thats what I am trying to get across you need to taper this product or you could get gyno as a result from the estrogen rebound.

I think you could probably synergize this pretty well with a good test booster.

as far as them marketing it as a pct, I dont really think it is. Some people take it for pct but I wouldnt, and they do market this novedex xt as a stand alone cycle.

ORIGINAL: HEARTS

ORIGINAL: Nm0ney34

ok lemme try to explain this...

First it is not marketed as a PCT, some people however have used it in their PCT. It is marketed as a standalone cycle.

Nolvedex is an estrogen blocker, IT LOWERS ESTROGEN...the whole reason I posted that quote is because it is important.

there are 3 ingredients in Novedex xt(Novedex xt??? nolvedex is a prescription anti estrogen)

1. 3-hydroxy-4-androstene-6,17-dione—also known as 3-OHAT (in the form of a THP ether)
2. 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione—also known as "ATD"
3. Hesperitin—a flavonoid


See atd? companys like to reword things to sound like they are something else...

the whole issue of gyno is what COULD happen to someone. If you take 4 pills of this stuff every night, you can essentially wipe nearly all of the estrogen out of your body. You then cold turkey, and the issue of gyno has a good chance to pop up.

he talks about tapering, which would mean say week 1 - 4 pills, week 2- 3 pills, week 3 - 2pills, week 4 - 1pill.

but in the above post is just a recommended cycle, of only taking 2pills for most of the cycle, so you dont totally eliminate your estrogen...

I read about a lot of this stuff. I was on the brink of taking some stuff like 2 years ago but decided not to. Even when taking stuff like this, you need to make sure you get your facts.

You can use this as an estrogen blocker/test booster by itself. Maybe gain a few noticeable pounds, but if you dont take precautions it could all just be a waste.

this can also be used in PCT for something not very strong.

It is very much marketed for pct. It is marketed specifically for pct with halodrol liquigels. But them and read the paper on the inside.

I'm not sure if your talking about novedex or the real thing but anyway.

Novedex xt could cause a major estrogen rebound in your body. If you are taking it for 4 weeks and eliminate most of your estrogen your body is working very hard to replenish it. So if you don't taper off of it and just stop taking it one day your estrogen levels "could"(notice I didn't say will) bounce back to high.
I personally think it's a great product. even though i do avoid testboosters myself. My friend is taking it and loves it. Says his libido is through the roof to the point that the one eyed snake wakes up without a call. He also says he's hungy all the time. But on the downside he is noticeing some mild acne on his upper back and forehead.

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Some people experience this, I believe it is caused by the ATD, which is why I would stick to just 2 pills of novedex xt. if you happen to experience a libido drop, maybe you wont. Everyones different.

ORIGINAL: RedJeep

ORIGINAL: MaverickKeepsitReal

HEARTS- Your libido is supposed to drop when taking Novedex. I have read all around different forums and people have said that their libido drops significantly, so...

If it does then lower the dose.

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

Novedex does drop libido.
It decreases estrogen concentration in the brain by something like 90-95% and estrogen plays a big part in keeping up your libido. It also trigers the negative feedback loop, your body thinks you don't have sufficient estrogen and tries to increase testosterone production in the hopes of restoring estrogen through aromatization.
It's not the best way to increase test by far.
 
The increases by themselves are not enought to show any significant gains in muscle mass, and novedex (atd) isn't suited for any cycles with significant shutdown because it only works throught the negative feedback loop, and post cycle there is virtually no estrogen in your body to eliminate anyway. You need something like nolvadex to increase lh levels and signal the testes to kick start test production. For something that's not very androgenic like halodrol, it's enought for pct but not for anything stronger.
 
I took both nolvadex and straight atd, and I can definitely say it kills libido significantly. Acctually in the beginning it boosts it, but as estrogen levels drop you get no desire for anything sexual but can get random erections because your test is still higher then normal.
 

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My main question is, Trib. does not lower estrogen levels, but raises test and increases libido, so I do not see the side effects of having to deal with low estrogen while taking Trib. since it has no evidence of lowering it. So, I can take it solely for the purpose of raising my natural test levels- which leads to strength gains, which leads to size, and I will not have to worry about the estrogen thing right???

 
There's no study conclusively showing trib boosts testosterone levels. As far as I can see it's only good for boosting libido, which you shouldn't have any problem with as a teenager.

ORIGINAL: odw777

Novedex does drop libido.
It decreases estrogen concentration in the brain by something like 90-95% and estrogen plays a big part in keeping up your libido. It also trigers the negative feedback loop, your body thinks you don't have sufficient estrogen and tries to increase testosterone production in the hopes of restoring estrogen through aromatization.
It's not the best way to increase test by far.

The increases by themselves are not enought to show any significant gains in muscle mass, and novedex (atd) isn't suited for any cycles with significant shutdown because it only works throught the negative feedback loop, and post cycle there is virtually no estrogen in your body to eliminate anyway. You need something like nolvadex to increase lh levels and signal the testes to kick start test production. For something that's not very androgenic like halodrol, it's enought for pct but not for anything stronger.

I took both nolvadex and straight atd, and I can definitely say it kills libido significantly. Acctually in the beginning it boosts it, but as estrogen levels drop you get no desire for anything sexual but can get random erections because your test is still higher then normal.

ORIGINAL: MaverickKeepsitReal

My main question is, Trib. does not lower estrogen levels, but raises test and increases libido, so I do not see the side effects of having to deal with low estrogen while taking Trib. since it has no evidence of lowering it. So, I can take it solely for the purpose of raising my natural test levels- which leads to strength gains, which leads to size, and I will not have to worry about the estrogen thing right???

There's no study conclusively showing trib boosts testosterone levels. As far as I can see it's only good for boosting libido, which you shouldn't have any problem with as a teenager.

what about if your pulsing lets say, epistane..on off days, shouldnt you take novadex xt??? fxck yo, i just bought a bottle and opened it today i hope i can return it.

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ORIGINAL: Tommy_Boy420

what about if your pulsing lets say, epistane..on off days, shouldnt you take novadex xt??? fxck yo, i just bought a bottle and opened it today i hope i can return it.

 
That should work. I did the same thing and got good results. As long as you keep it short and pulse 3x a week.
 
Novedex xt isn't bad, I have 2 bottles of the stuff. The problem is noobs run hard cycles and expect it to be enought.

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what about if your pulsing lets say, epistane..on off days, shouldnt you take novadex xt??? fxck yo, i just bought a bottle and opened it today i hope i can return it.

That should work. I did the same thing and got good results. As long as you keep it short and pulse 3x a week.

Novedex xt isn't bad, I have 2 bottles of the stuff. The problem is noobs run hard cycles and expect it to be enought.

you take 2 caps on off days? thats what i'm doing. not sure if its enough.....

"A severed foot is the ultimate stocking-stuffer" "Obsession is what the LAZY use to describe dedication" "You put your faith in Christianity. I put mine in artillery"

I dont know if I agree with pulsing, I have read about it, but meh.

Anyway isnt epistane the same thing as havoc? a buddy of mine took havoc awhile ago. He tried to explain it. I looked it up myself, and it looked like the same thing.

with that stuff im sure you need a pct. But why would you take novedex xt with something like epistane/havoc? totally obliterate any estrogen?

I would imagine people using Novedex xt as their pct, the only thing I dont know about that I guess is if it would be strong enough after using the epistane.

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

ORIGINAL: Nm0ney34

I dont know if I agree with pulsing, I have read about it, but meh.

Anyway isnt epistane the same thing as havoc? a buddy of mine took havoc awhile ago. He tried to explain it. I looked it up myself, and it looked like the same thing.

with that stuff im sure you need a pct. But why would you take novedex xt with something like epistane/havoc? totally obliterate any estrogen?

I would imagine people using Novedex xt as their pct, the only thing I dont know about that I guess is if it would be strong enough after using the epistane.

yeh havoc = epistane....

when pulsing, its only 3 days a week so you need some sort of test booster on the off days to keep the test levels at a normal range....as for P.C.T., when pulsing your not supposed to have one but that seems risky, so i'd get Post Cycle Support (look it up) if you were going to pulse havoc..Havoc is like Virginia Slims of steroids.

"A severed foot is the ultimate stocking-stuffer" "Obsession is what the LAZY use to describe dedication" "You put your faith in Christianity. I put mine in artillery"

No im not doing it, but I have read about pulsing, not enough to truly understand it.
 
I like to read about all this stuff regarding PH and steroids, Im not on anything now but maybe sometime in the future years from now who knows. Knowledge doesnt hurt :P
 
I know all about PCT, its the most important part of any cycle. I guess my question for you guys is why would you be taking novedex xt while cycling or pulsing epistane?
 
wouldnt it be better to take novedex xt PCT, while taking something like nolvadex to help keep estrogen down during pct and taper it off? I understand taking something like  mass fx/trib/test booster but why the novedex? Or am I just lost?
 
 

ORIGINAL: Tommy_Boy420

ORIGINAL: Nm0ney34

I dont know if I agree with pulsing, I have read about it, but meh.

Anyway isnt epistane the same thing as havoc? a buddy of mine took havoc awhile ago. He tried to explain it. I looked it up myself, and it looked like the same thing.

with that stuff im sure you need a pct. But why would you take novedex xt with something like epistane/havoc? totally obliterate any estrogen?

I would imagine people using Novedex xt as their pct, the only thing I dont know about that I guess is if it would be strong enough after using the epistane.

yeh havoc = epistane....

when pulsing, its only 3 days a week so you need some sort of test booster on the off days to keep the test levels at a normal range....as for P.C.T., when pulsing your not supposed to have one but that seems risky, so i'd get Post Cycle Support (look it up) if you were going to pulse havoc..Havoc is like Virginia Slims of steroids.

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

ORIGINAL: Tommy_Boy420

ORIGINAL: odw777

ORIGINAL: Tommy_Boy420

what about if your pulsing lets say, epistane..on off days, shouldnt you take novadex xt??? fxck yo, i just bought a bottle and opened it today i hope i can return it.

That should work. I did the same thing and got good results. As long as you keep it short and pulse 3x a week.

Novedex xt isn't bad, I have 2 bottles of the stuff. The problem is noobs run hard cycles and expect it to be enought.

you take 2 caps on off days? thats what i'm doing. not sure if its enough.....

 
No you'll need at least 30mg if you're dosing 3 a week. 40mg would be better.
20mg isn't really going to do much.
 
Personally I like pulsing, I  pulsed epistane for 6 weeks, formastane between doses to keep test up and novedex xt afterwards. I took it on workout days, one dose before and one after workout.
 
It would definitely be a good idea to keep a serm on hand thought.

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what about if your pulsing lets say, epistane..on off days, shouldnt you take novadex xt??? fxck yo, i just bought a bottle and opened it today i hope i can return it.

That should work. I did the same thing and got good results. As long as you keep it short and pulse 3x a week.

Novedex xt isn't bad, I have 2 bottles of the stuff. The problem is noobs run hard cycles and expect it to be enought.

you take 2 caps on off days? thats what i'm doing. not sure if its enough.....

No you'll need at least 30mg if you're dosing 3 a week. 40mg would be better.
20mg isn't really going to do much.

Personally I like pulsing, I  pulsed epistane for 6 weeks, formastane between doses to keep test up and novedex xt afterwards. I took it on workout days, one dose before and one after workout.

It would definitely be a good idea to keep a serm on hand thought.

nah, i meant novedex on off days. im up to 40mg on epi and its sick, but my back is all fxcked up and im gonna go for an x-ray on thursday so i stopped the cycle....which is really crappy because i was getting sick strength gains, not to mention the pounds. next cycle tho, im gonna go 20/30/30/40 straight.

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i have taken novadex, 3 cycles of it... from the sounds of it nmoney just has something against gaspari or against the product.. i have seen major strength gains, as well as loosing fat around the mid section and mass. I think its a great product. and most people think that also.

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for those who are taking novadex, what is your cycle like... how are you taking novadex?

At my signal, unleash hell.

I read on Nolvadex and it says it has some horrible side effects. If i were to do a epistane cycle of 20/20/30 maybe 40, could i do a pct of really high dosages of novadex XT?

Novedex XT is not suffiect PCT. You have to have a strong SERM.. unless you want moobs.
 
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