Novadex(PCT)

I recently did a cycle of Finadex. Why i did this, i really dont know. Currently i am taking Novadex as a PCT. Is this strong enough to combat the depletion of testosterone?

I was dumb, i should have never done a harsh oral. Please just tell me if i should see a doctor to get a prescription for a real PCT.

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your taking other things in your pct right? like a liver support etc?

I dont know much about it, is it just a PH or a mix of PH/steroids? Ive read both. Anyway, I dont want to give you anything definitive...but if your taking nolvadex you should be alright eventually im not sure of the dosages, im sure its something like 40/40/20/20 or 40/30/20/10...just make sure its not novadex-xt.

but im sure someone else who knows more will help ya out :)

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Nolvadex is fine, it's a great PCT.

Are you on the PCT part of your cycle yet? If you are, you won't need a cycle assist (liver protector) during this time period but you'll need a natty test booster - I would recommend formex.

The steroid you took sounds like a knock off. For your first time something like Epistane would have been the best. Due to the low estrogen, Epistane has been proven to in some cases cure or reduce gynecomastia, which is usually a side-effect of other PH's and steroids.

Epistane also generally proves to be the best compound for cutting phases, I'm assuming your signature is recent and you're still interested in cutting. Epistane would have been the better pick, if you're considering PH's again in the near future - please consider that. Remember to take off double the time off as you were on the cycle, so if you did the cycle for 4 weeks, don't do another for 8 weeks.

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Uh, let's get our brand names straight, please.

Novadex is a test booster from Gaspari Nutrition; Nolvadex is the brand name for the prescription SERM Tamoxifen.

Which are we talking about here?

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Yea, cause honestly i've heard that novadex from gaspari isant a good pct at all

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veggeep


Uh, let's get our brand names straight, please.

Novadex is a test booster from Gaspari Nutrition; Nolvadex is the brand name for the prescription SERM Tamoxifen.

Which are we talking about here?

Yeah, really.

I know Novadex XT is a decent OTC AI, but nothing else. If the cycle you did was harsh, I suggest you find a source for tamoxifen citrate and dose it at 40/40/20/20.

And stay away from this **** until you have a good source and knowledge for PCT.

i would run  cel post cycle support  throughout. and run t 911 for weeks 1 through 4 and formex weeks 3 through 6 at 50 50 25 25. 

hollywood17


i would run  cel post cycle support  throughout. and run t 911 for weeks 1 through 4 and formex weeks 3 through 6 at 50 50 25 25. 

#6

You need

Milk Thistle
Saw Palmetto
Hawthorne Berry
NAC

I am guessing CEL Post Cycle Support has the above, but as for kick starting your own test levels with no worries of whether or not expensive OTC products did the trick

Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate)

A'ight.  Now you're making my brain hurt.

I thought Saw Palmetto decreased testosterone.  It's why everyone puts it in their herbal "men's health" supplement -to combat prostate enlargement due to excessive T.

Isn't the object of PCT to reboot natural T production slowly while damping the aromatizing response?

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I would be taking Nolvadex and nothing that is otc. You can obtain Nolvadex without a perscription from a research chemicals site and get overnight shipping if I was you. Next cycle I would do a little more research and have everything on hand. You are lucky you didn't get gyno without a proper pct availible to you becasue then you would be really screwed.

Yeah, i already do have gyno from puberty, so no harm there. It is Novladex not novadex sorry. I got it from a friend who juices. Finadex really isnt a sham actually. Contains tren(or maybe a ****ty knock off of tren). It did work, i just dont want **** to go down im not ready for haha.

I did have everything on hand btw. I was taking my liver supporters.

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DxM


Yeah, i already do have gyno from puberty, so no harm there. It is Novladex not novadex sorry. I got it from a friend who juices. Finadex really isnt a sham actually. Contains tren(or maybe a ****ty knock off of tren). It did work, i just dont want **** to go down im not ready for haha.

I did have everything on hand btw. I was taking my liver supporters.

so you alreayd had gyno from puberty, no offense but are you really that stupid?  Have fun keeping the gyno for the rest of your life unless you get surgery...

If you already had gyno, Epistane should have been your top choice.

I've had a minor case of it since I was a kid, before puberty I think. It's no joke and you'll be self conscious about it for the rest of your life, you'll have to do, as SK said, get surgery. Only way out for the time being.

I'm unsure why you decided to take steroids? They're really for people that have been training for an extremely long time, competitive bodybuilders or powerlifters, or guys that have reached the amount of lean body mass that their genetics allow without synthetic support.

I would say learn from this and not take them again for a long time. How old are you?

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veggeep


A'ight.  Now you're making my brain hurt.

I thought Saw Palmetto decreased testosterone.  It's why everyone puts it in their herbal "men's health" supplement -to combat prostate enlargement due to excessive T.

Isn't the object of PCT to reboot natural T production slowly while damping the aromatizing response?

If it does, I never knew about it. I have just read from other users to take it on and off cycle. On cycle especially, because your prostate can enlarge pretty easily from what I have seen in journals.

Yeah i know im retarted. Im 19 years old, way to young. I realize that, i was stupid and immature. I plan to have surgery later, but for the time being im ok with my flaws.

I have learned my lesson, it was a great run, but its to early to start that stuff.

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I've run all the serms now and I'd probably say Toremifene is my favourite.

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm

Is toremifene generic?

You tried Arimidex, Adam?

So, if a 37-year old vegetarian with several years of lifting experience under his belt who has clearly maxed out his beginner's gains wanted to give a cycle of Epistane a completely objective and meticulously-documented evaluation, what manner of PCT would you recommend he (or she -after all, this is purely hypothetical ) follow such a cycle up with?

I already have input from one trusted source, I just want to know what the rest of you think.

My impression is that a prescription SERM like Tamoxifen wouldn't be as necessary, given the purportedly anti-estrogenic nature of Epi to begin with, but I'm also guessing that liver support would be just as important as with any other compound.

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you still need somthing like Nolva while taking epistane. I knew someone who took it and I did a ton of reading on it because I almost took it.

Sadly a good portion of people took epistane(Havoc) with novadex-xt because thats what some gnc store guy recommended and a few ended up with gyno.

but according to what I read and discussed you still need a strong serm like nolva (cant remember the other one) if your taking epistane.

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

I took Havoc, but it's all the same

I did this

Week 1: 20mg
Week 2: 30mg
Week 3: 40mg
Week 4: 40mg

For PCT I ran supports and

Genox (a name brand tamoxifen)

40mg
40mg
20mg
20mg

and Novedex XT
4 caps
3 caps
2 caps
1 cap

As long as you have the tamox on hand, you don't have to worry.

Eat a LOT of carbs.

I don't think generic toremifene is available, never ran arimidex that sh*t is expensive but I think the research chemicals are much cheaper.

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm

Nm0ney34


you still need somthing like Nolva while taking epistane. I knew someone who took it and I did a ton of reading on it because I almost took it.

Sadly a good portion of people took epistane(Havoc) with novadex-xt because thats what some gnc store guy recommended and a few ended up with gyno.

but according to what I read and discussed you still need a strong serm like nolva (cant remember the other one) if your taking epistane.

That's what I thought

Does anyone else here feel even the slightest bit apprehensive about buying Tamoxifen from a "research" supplier?  I mean really.  How do you know you're getting the real deal?

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The only thing I don't see is how someone got gynecomastia from Epistane. I'm unsure if PCT's can cause it but Epistane has estrogen blockers in it. A lot of people have even claimed gynecomastia was reduced from Epistane.

If I were to ever consider a steroid and I'll be honest, I have before. Epistane would be about the only one I'd really consider. Things like D-BOL, H-DROL (which is weak anyway) or M-DROL to me just have too many hard side effects.

I have a few friends trying knock offs like Winni V. Then there is one guy I know that just bought m1t's (which are now illegal) and when I asked him what PCT he is taking he asked "what is that?" Just shows why steroids have such a bad reputation. People try them without knowing what they're doing. People that think steroids put water in your muscles, they get hurt because they take them wrong and then that gives them a terrible reputation. Needless to say, I'm not ant-steroid but I believe food, compound movements and progressive overload should come before pills and supplements.

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Hey, bro.  All I need is to launch a web browser and check out how many people believe that steroids shrink your johnson to know just how ignorant people are.

And, since I can already hear the flame war, for the record (and those of you who hold this ridiculous preconception), steroids have no effect whatsoever on the size of your penis.  Prolonged use (or even reckless short-term casual use) will cause your body to shut down its own production of testosterone, and that will cause your NUTS to shrivel up.  Those imbeciles on the net throwing steroid accusations around who don't even know the difference between a penis and a testicle need to STFU.

Sorry, but that one's been bothering me for months, and I had to get it off my chest.

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veggeep


Hey, bro.  All I need is to launch a web browser and check out how many people believe that steroids shrink your johnson to know just how ignorant people are.

And, since I can already hear the flame war, for the record (and those of you who hold this ridiculous preconception), steroids have no effect whatsoever on the size of your penis.  Prolonged use (or even reckless short-term casual use) will cause your body to shut down its own production of testosterone, and that will cause your NUTS to shrivel up.  Those imbeciles on the net throwing steroid accusations around who don't even know the difference between a penis and a testicle need to STFU.

Sorry, but that one's been bothering me for months, and I had to get it off my chest.

I'm glad someone finally said it. I'm so sick of when people see me giving advice to someone on steroids saying "OMG, you believe in steroids???" Then when I ask them what steroids do they say "build muscle for you". This alone shows their ignorant comment of the year award. Then they say "what's he going to do when his Johnson shrinks??" It's pretty ridiculous to be honest.

A similar person told me that you need a PCT with creatine. That's what gives steroids bad reputations.

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Here's another thing to sip on. I was considering taking them last fall. People were constantly telling me to be careful, this generally coming from the people that party and drink all weekend. Want some facts? Alcohol kills so many people in America each year, compare that to how many people get killed by steroids. And I'm the one that needs to be careful?

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I found I had puffy nips on Nolvadex...Didn't have that with torem though.

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm

In regards to epistane I ran it once solo and once after some an'var (high dosage too) and to be honest I want my money back...How anyone can run it on 30 mgs and see results I don't know...Maybe if you are like 150 lbs you will notice something. I'm running H-Drol at 100 mgs and muchos prefer it.

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm

Epistane is rather weak at lower dosages especially if you are heavier. Adam makes a good point. The last time I ran it it took 60mg before I could feel it.

If you really want to dive in try H-Drol, Tren, etc.

I hate to bring this back, but Veg, did you get my PM?