No befores, just afters, but posted before if you can find htem

Well, after a good amount of time, of realllly letting my diet slip, and not counting calories, and not worrying about staying too skinny, here I am. I'd say its been about a good 4-6 months, although I've been lifting for about two years.

The split I'm on now, is hte REQUIRED football split, 3 days a week, full body.. Wouldn't call it my ideal workout, but hey, I'm seeing huge strength increases. Max Bench has increased from around the summer time 165-225, my squat, from probably around 225 in summer max- 375 .. don't know my deadlift numbers, but they've increased, not as fast as my squat or bench, but increased nonetheless.


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Wanted to add size, and increase strength significantly, to compete at varsity level for WR and CB.. please give me my input.

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6. I def. gained body fat, but curious as to where you think I'm at, where I previously was around 11, and looking to cut just a tad, and be ripped by spring/summer.

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I think your lower than you think. I'm thinking your in the single digit area.

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Current Cycle: Strength

"Do not go where the path may lead, instead go where there is no path, and leave a trail."

you're definatly in the single digit BF percentage. your workout is obviously working youve had some good progress, only think i can suggest is eat more, you'll see better gains

first day with no buds, 11/17, need a new job. 1 down 13 to go.

Most definitely below 10% BF. To me it looks like 8-8.5%? Great strength gains nonetheless. Those numbers are pretty good for a High School football player. Not the greatest obviously, but given your size, definitely some good strength.
 
Are you going to be a Senior next year?

nope, JR, not to mention, i weigh 150, and am barely 5'8,

if my BF was 11 percent, how has it dropped when my ab definition has DEF decreased, and i feel a gut that wasn't there before.
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    How did you measure the initial 11%? Keep in mind that the figure you are basing your fat gain on could easily have been something like 7% and now you may be at 9%. You look very similar to me and I was certified for wrestling at 5.8% bf but then gained about 2% during the season due to maintainance of weight and loss of muscle (not a good thing to any degree.)

I would say defenitly go on a bulking phase or even stay bulking for awhile. I think you should bulk to a good 170 would be real nice. Your size gains would defenitly come easier and so would your strength gains.

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well previously, i took my pictures (if u saw the previous pictures) from a digital camera, these are from a mac, which def. (in my opinion) appear to show a ton more definition. anyone else agree with t hat?

you need to go on a hardcore bulk.  Lift hard and eat, eat, eat till you feel like throwing up.  I definatly wouldnt cut any time soon.  You already have a ton of defintion and you would be better off adding some more mass for the physique and for football.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

Great back muscles.But i think you'll look better if u bulk slightly..

honestly, i feel like its just the lighting making me look that big.. I'm gonna take new pics, with a different camera.

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Listen to these guys, they know what they're talking about. They're older and more experienced than you (*wiser). It'd be in your best interest to throw some more mass on those bones. Nevertheless, you're doing a good job thus far.



P.s. , Be careful with those underwear pics

Shoulders back.
Head high.
Always progressing.


Supps: whey, flax oil, food, water

and Super Pump, it makes me dizzy sometimes

I wouldn't worry about cutting at all if I were you.. you are pretty damn ripped.
 
your upper body has grown a lot and you just look a lot thicker.. good work.
 
as far as improvements go.. I would suggest more legs. don't get me wrong they're lookin good too but that is definately your weak point.

you all obviously don't have macintosh's.. im telling you right now. it is the camera on the monitor, something with the flash that comes from the computer, makes people look cutter tahn they really are, period.

Au Contraire, bro. All my computers are Macs with iSight cameras, AND I'm a professional photographer, so I know a thing or two about what you'd look like in other kinds of lighting.

Yes, the monitor glow does grant a slight contrast advantage, but it's direct light (relative to the camera position), and much less likely to produce as flattering an effect as overhead or 3/4 key lighting.

Bottom line -even though it may not be immediately obvious to you- is that you have far better than average cuts. Certainly enough definition not to waste a lot of time worrying about gaining a few points. I've been in almost exactly the same position on three of my last bulking efforts; I get to a point where I start to feel a little soft, and I start sweating the calipers millimeter for millimeter. This is no way to make dramatic progress in the gym.

At your age, and with the impressive amount of progress you've made so far, I'd go ahead and get a little reckless with the calories. You have to keep in mind that bulking is all about neurological and endocrine shock. You have to keep in mind that eating itself produces an endocrine response. When paired with aggressive strength training, it's like a mass-gaining amplifier. That means you have to eat proportional to your lifting behavior in the gym.

I don't advocate the extreme bulking diets so many guys fall for, where they bloat up with a bunch of extra fat they'll just have to cut again later, but you look like you can handle a little wiggle-room. That is, if your metabolism is anything like mine.

Keep up the good work. And don't lose too much sleep over how cut you don't think you are

Thanks a lot guys, but I've already let my diet slip entirely. And this advice, is only (in my opinion) going to make it worse.
I'm going to continue to run 20 minutes every other lifting day, and see where this gets me. From those pictures, my arms have already gotten quite a bit smaller, no exaggeration. Expect in two months for new pictures, following getting on the ball with my diet, and lifting program. Those will be with a digital. I'm just going to let you know, looking in any other mirror in my house, no way to abs look half as defined as they do in those pictures.